phoenix hp22??
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WonderNine
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I like mine, it's the chromed one. It's a fun little gun for the money. The trigger is pretty creepy, but not heavy. I have the longer barrel. It has not had a problem with any of the value packed .22's and seems to be pretty reliable even when it's dirty. The double safety is a little annoying at first, but I've gotten used to it. I read in a past thread about somebody disabling one of the safeties pretty easily.
I paid $90 for mine, I would not pay any more than that as a Ruger MKI or MKII can be found for pretty cheap.
I paid $90 for mine, I would not pay any more than that as a Ruger MKI or MKII can be found for pretty cheap.
Longbow
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Good, reliable cheap gun. My only complaint is that, it has so many safeties. Accuracy is....I'de say,..acceptable (its a mouse gun, ya know 
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wally
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Why are they called mouse guns when they aren't accurate enough to have much chance of ever hitting a mouse?
--wally
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pyblood
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I got one. It used to jam before I found out that it was a mag problem. I got a new mag, and it hasn't jammed since. I got the mag with the finger rest and I recommend it for anyone with larger hands. It will digest any ammo that I feed it. I usually keep it loaded with CCI Stinges. My usually shoot Winchester 550 round value packs from Wal-Mart. They are around $10 per box.
I think that it's a pretty good gun for $100.
I think that it's a pretty good gun for $100.
P95Carry
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A cheapie .. can't deny that but . compared with some other cheapies ... not too bad a gun for money. I got the ''kit'' .. with short and long barrel .. coupla years ago.
I have now kept the longer barrel on mine all time .. it is much more accurate and basically, is a fun plinker. Mechanically tho it does not IMO have total reliability and so .. not good enough even for ''mouse carry'' ... but you get what you pay for but ... I reckon this one knocks out the ''Raven, Jennings, Lorcin'' stuff ... on a value vs function assessment.
I have now kept the longer barrel on mine all time .. it is much more accurate and basically, is a fun plinker. Mechanically tho it does not IMO have total reliability and so .. not good enough even for ''mouse carry'' ... but you get what you pay for but ... I reckon this one knocks out the ''Raven, Jennings, Lorcin'' stuff ... on a value vs function assessment.
WonderNine
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Also, this is a pot metal gun as far as I know, so you kinda take your chances with em, but Phoenix Arms does seem to be pretty good about warranty repairs from what I've heard. If you write them they'll send you a free manual and I heard somebody else got a free magazine.
Craig M. Arnold
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Phoenix Arms HP-22
I had one for a while. It ate everything that I put into the magazine. Pretty accurate and generally a fun gun for the money. I had an early model Walther P-22 at the same time and the Phoenix Arms out shot the Walther!
I think the Phoenix Arms was a good little gun. The only downside to it was that it was very heavy for it's size.
I had one for a while. It ate everything that I put into the magazine. Pretty accurate and generally a fun gun for the money. I had an early model Walther P-22 at the same time and the Phoenix Arms out shot the Walther!
I think the Phoenix Arms was a good little gun. The only downside to it was that it was very heavy for it's size.
P95Carry
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W9 ... I do not know the actual metallurgy of the piece but ..... I am sure this is not pot metal .. it is too heavy and the metal seems way harder.
In ''value-for-money'' terms it has an edge I think, on the other ''dross''!!
WonderNine
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I think there might actually be three.
Magazine disconnect safety, the slide mounted safety and the frame mounted safety which cannot be manipulated without the magazine being in the gun.
Magazine disconnect safety, the slide mounted safety and the frame mounted safety which cannot be manipulated without the magazine being in the gun.
Phantom Warrior
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For the money, it's a good gun. Mine has had a fair amount of trouble with the slide not running all the way forward after each shot. This is very possibly a result of my fumbling putting the spring back in the first SEVERAL times I reassembled it. Don't do that. It bends it up. Since no one else has had much in the way of complaints, I'm guessing that's my fault. Phoenix is definitely superior to the rest of the rat pack (e.g. Lorcin, Jennings, et. al.) If you can get one for $100 or less and want a cheap .22, go for it. Don't pay more than that and if you want a quality gun look at something else. Beretta Neo, Browning Buckmark, Rugers all come to mind
Regarding the numerous safties. You can very easily remove the safety that requires you to put the gun on safe before you remove the mag. Just unscrew the left grip panel and there is a little piece of metal that you can take right out. That just leave you with the firing safety. Still gives you a functioning safety without having to mess with the safety everytime you change mags. Don't know how many times I've pulled the trigger w/ the firing pin safety on and stood there with a dumb look on my face.
Regarding the numerous safties. You can very easily remove the safety that requires you to put the gun on safe before you remove the mag. Just unscrew the left grip panel and there is a little piece of metal that you can take right out. That just leave you with the firing safety. Still gives you a functioning safety without having to mess with the safety everytime you change mags. Don't know how many times I've pulled the trigger w/ the firing pin safety on and stood there with a dumb look on my face.
wintermute76
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Mine has been ok, I paid 120 and got both barrels and the std mag and one with a finger rest.
Had some extraction issues, I wired up some 420 SS extractors at work and it seems to help a lot.
Had some extraction issues, I wired up some 420 SS extractors at work and it seems to help a lot.
cratz2
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I've had four of them... friends kept buying them from me because they were so impressed for the $100-$110 price point.
The pros are that they're pretty reliable, pretty accurate and cheap.
Cons are they are single action, heavy, have a kind of sad trigger, and they have like eleventy billion safeties on them. But they only cost a hundred bucks!
I've had two stainless guns and two 'blued' guns if that's what it is ... I'd strongly suggest you consider the stainless version.
I feel the same way about the HP22s as I do the P32/P3ATs... for the price, every gun owner should have one. I've had probably five failures in maybe 300 rounds... all were very early on and all I've ever shot through them was the cheapest ammo... I consider Federal Lightning to be about the best I'd shoot through one for plinking. For accuracy, the 100 yard gong is extremely frustrating but clays at 50 yards are in danger if I get five chances.
But... it only costs $100!
The pros are that they're pretty reliable, pretty accurate and cheap.
Cons are they are single action, heavy, have a kind of sad trigger, and they have like eleventy billion safeties on them. But they only cost a hundred bucks!
I've had two stainless guns and two 'blued' guns if that's what it is
... I'd strongly suggest you consider the stainless version. I feel the same way about the HP22s as I do the P32/P3ATs... for the price, every gun owner should have one. I've had probably five failures in maybe 300 rounds... all were very early on and all I've ever shot through them was the cheapest ammo... I consider Federal Lightning to be about the best I'd shoot through one for plinking. For accuracy, the 100 yard gong is extremely frustrating but clays at 50 yards are in danger if I get five chances.
But... it only costs $100!
peashooter
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I've had mine for about 2 years. Not the most reliable gun on my shelf. I bought mine with the short barrel, then ordered the 5 inch. Right now mine is DOA. The mag release button came apart. I tried to repair it by simply reassembling it, but the pin was broken. Oh well, guess I'll call Phoenix and order a new one.
Overall it is a fun gun to shoot. I use it mostly as a "trainer" gun for my kids and girlfriend.....She now sports a Taurus 38 revolver.
Overall it is a fun gun to shoot. I use it mostly as a "trainer" gun for my kids and girlfriend.....She now sports a Taurus 38 revolver.
Preacherman
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I have two of these, both blued, with the shorter barrel. They are VERY good value for the money. I use them as training guns, to let newbies who've never shot a gun before try these out (along with other, larger .22's and other calibers). They are also useful in teaching someone that a small gun is not necessarily what you want - just try getting good hits at 25 yards with a HP22 and a Ruger Mk. II! The difference is very noticeable.
All in all, a cheap, fun plinker with some real attributes for training. I'll be buying more.
All in all, a cheap, fun plinker with some real attributes for training. I'll be buying more.
P95Carry
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Similar thing here Peashooter ... but I was lucky. What had happened was the pin end had not been peened enough and ''button'' popped off.
I managed to remedy that but in doing so slightly disturbed the mag catch protrusion (very soft metal) ... had a devil's job getting it just right again but .... success in the end. Did all this cos too lazy to send it back!!
Accept this lil gun's limitations and remember it's low price .... and it's still overall a good value plinker.
I recommend 'em.
I bought 3 at Christmas.
1 for me, 1 for a brother, and 1 for a mom-in-law.
Earlier, I had bought a worn out one for my son.
Sent it to Phoenix, they sent back a new gun. No charge.
After shooting his some, I sold my newly repaired P22 and got the Phoenix.
It's more accurate than the Walther was, and so far has been more reliable.
From 10 yards, 50 rounds will go into a quarter-sized hole.
Not bad for short barrelled, $100 gun!
I think I've got around 1000 rounds through it so far.
I bought 3 at Christmas.
1 for me, 1 for a brother, and 1 for a mom-in-law.
Earlier, I had bought a worn out one for my son.
Sent it to Phoenix, they sent back a new gun. No charge.
After shooting his some, I sold my newly repaired P22 and got the Phoenix.
It's more accurate than the Walther was, and so far has been more reliable.
From 10 yards, 50 rounds will go into a quarter-sized hole.
Not bad for short barrelled, $100 gun!
I think I've got around 1000 rounds through it so far.
sturmruger
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BEST .22 for under $100
I bought my first HP22 when I was only 15 (actually my mom bought it Agent Schumkatelli). It was a great little gun and it saw ton of use from my buddies and I. After I had finished shooting my 18th value pack through it I got the bright idea to try some CCI Stingers. Unfortunately while we were shooting the CCI Stingers the slide cracked. I called Phoenix explained the problem to them and was told to ship it out to them for repair. Two weeks later I received in the mail a brand new gun, and 2 extra mags. I wish I had kept that little gun. My friend Aaron wanted to buy it in the worst sort of way so i sold it to him. I
I did buy another HP22 that I have had no problems with at all!! I like to sit at 7 yards and shoot at my steel plate targets. For the money it is a hard gun to beat!! I did purchase an older Ruger MK1 for only $125 so be make sure you get a good price for a HP22 otherwise you are better off find a good used Ruger.
The safety is easy to modify. I used my dremel to alter the magazine safety. Other wise there is a firing pin block and a manual safety. The nice thing about removing the mag safety is that when you remove the mag safety you can use the manual safety to keep the slide locked open.
I bought my first HP22 when I was only 15 (actually my mom bought it Agent Schumkatelli). It was a great little gun and it saw ton of use from my buddies and I. After I had finished shooting my 18th value pack through it I got the bright idea to try some CCI Stingers. Unfortunately while we were shooting the CCI Stingers the slide cracked. I called Phoenix explained the problem to them and was told to ship it out to them for repair. Two weeks later I received in the mail a brand new gun, and 2 extra mags. I wish I had kept that little gun. My friend Aaron wanted to buy it in the worst sort of way so i sold it to him. I
I did buy another HP22 that I have had no problems with at all!! I like to sit at 7 yards and shoot at my steel plate targets. For the money it is a hard gun to beat!! I did purchase an older Ruger MK1 for only $125 so be make sure you get a good price for a HP22 otherwise you are better off find a good used Ruger.
The safety is easy to modify. I used my dremel to alter the magazine safety. Other wise there is a firing pin block and a manual safety. The nice thing about removing the mag safety is that when you remove the mag safety you can use the manual safety to keep the slide locked open.
macrophage
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Had a LOT of problems with mine. Failure to return to battery. Extraction issues, and the slide stop tab was damaging the slide itself. I got rid of it as soon as I could and got a walther p22. The p22 is a keeper.
I still have all the parts I used trying to keep the hp22 alive. Anyone want them? Seriously, send me $5 and I will send you the baggie. Mostly grips and extra stuff.
Mac
I still have all the parts I used trying to keep the hp22 alive. Anyone want them? Seriously, send me $5 and I will send you the baggie. Mostly grips and extra stuff.
Mac
Cute little piece. A friend has one that he's put some rounds through. Works okay, but the firing pin safety no longer works. Even if it is enabled, as soon as you pull the trigger it snaps to "fire" and the gun goes bang. Scary, since I found out about this particular problem while demonstrating that particular safety to a friend with a loaded gun. Thankfully, as always I was following standard safety rules and the bullet sailed harmlessly into the backstop.
Not the best gun in the world, but it'll do for a kit gun as long as you are extra careful with it.
Not the best gun in the world, but it'll do for a kit gun as long as you are extra careful with it.
Ed Ely
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I love mine to death. Have had it since it first came out as the
Rangemaster, without the short barrel included. Paid $85 for
it. Good shooter. For those who have not yet taken it down
for cleaning, please have patience, you will get the hang of it
but will forget how to do it by the time you have to clean it
again.
Rangemaster, without the short barrel included. Paid $85 for
it. Good shooter. For those who have not yet taken it down
for cleaning, please have patience, you will get the hang of it
but will forget how to do it by the time you have to clean it
again.
Neal Bloom
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Bought one off a coworker who needed some cash three years ago. The rear sights were always sort of cocked to one side. The mag catch broke off and I sent it to Phoenix. In no time they sent it back with a new barrel, new sights, new mag catch and extra magazine. Great plinker and fun to shoot.
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