Photo I.D. - Guns, Ammo & Voting

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There are those who maintain that requiring a photo I.D. to vote is unconstitutional because it has a disparate impact on the voting franchise of minorities, who are asserted to be less likely to have a photo I.D.

Curiously (I am being polite) many of those pushing the voting franchise issue are also pushing to require a photo I.D. to purchase ammunition, and it is already a Federal statute that you must show a photo I.D. to purchase a firearm from an FFL.

Has anyone pointed out to guns & ammo photo I.D. folks that if the pundits are right about the voting issue, the photo I.D. requirements for guns and ammo will necessarily have a disparate impact on minorities seeking to exercise their franchise under the 2nd Amendment?
 
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bushmaster, you picked a good day to ask me. :D
I voted today. Every day I get to vote is a good day. Texas is trying to make picture ID mandatory, the feds are trying to interfere with our internal electoral process... separate State's Rights rant. I show my driver's license anyway... not simply as a political statement, but because it has all my registration information keyed to it. It doesn't simply prove that I'm a US citizen... it proves that I'm entitled to vote in MY precinct (as opposed to someone else's). I am showing my ID because I am the one making an AFFIRMATIVE CLAIM. I am not showing my id to prove I can vote, but that I am voting where I should.

I do NOT show ID to buy ammo, because I DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE AN AFFIRMATIVE CLAIM that I am a law-abiding person... it is the burden of the State to prove otherwise, if such is necessary.
 
While an ID is required to vote here in Kentucky. I have never been asked to show an ID for ammunition purchases here.
 
They aren't. There is no legal requirement that ammunition be sold only to citizens. Non-citizens who are here legally and are law-abiding are permitted to purchase ammunition. Proving that they are here illegally or are non-law abiding remains the burden of the state.
 
I think they should have to run voters through NICS, let em wait 6 days while they check the name. Felons can't buy guns OR vote. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
Actually, some states do allow felons to vote in their state elections... some of them from jail. From a State's Rights perspective, if they want their felons to vote in their elections, who am I, a foreigner (Texan) to tell them how to run their state?
 
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Not trying to pick a fight, especially with a Texan.
However, I believe Federal law makes it illegal to transfer firearms or ammunition to prohibited persons.

18 U.S.C. Sec. 922(d): http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/922/

(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise
dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or
having reasonable cause to believe that such person -
(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court
of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one
year;
(2) is a fugitive from justice;
(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled
substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances
Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been
committed to any mental institution;
(5) who, being an alien -
(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been
admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as
that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration
and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
(6) who (!2) has been discharged from the Armed Forces under
dishonorable conditions;
(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has
renounced his citizenship;
(8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from
harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such
person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging
in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in
reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except
that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that -
(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received
actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to
participate; and
(B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a
credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner
or child; or
(ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted
use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate
partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause
bodily injury; or
(9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of
domestic violence.
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(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been
admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as
that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration
and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
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Precisely... we DO sell ammunition to foreigners who have permission to live here. They don't have to be citizens. Of course, if an individual shop owner suspects that someone sounds British, or German, or Mexican, or Martian, and requires ID to ensure THEY (the owner) comply with the law, they have a right to ask, and a right to refuse the sale if the person declines.... just as they have a right to ask me (for any or no reason) and refuse sale if I decline. That's still NOT THE SAME AS a federal law requiring ID or recording of same.
 
That's still NOT THE SAME AS a federal law requiring ID or recording of same
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Point well taken.
However, it is a requirement of Federal law that the purchaser of a firearm from an FFL show a photo I.D., and extending this to ammunition is no different.

Personally, I am cool with having to show I am a U.S. Citizen before buying guns or ammo, or voting.

I would be flattered to have to prove I was 21, but that's another story:rolleyes:
 
smalls, your license obviously does NOT prove that you are a citizen ... when I lived in the UK, mine did not prove I was a UK citizen either ('cuz I'm not)... it did prove that I was allowed to drive, and btw VOTE in local council elections. (Actually, it was suggested to me that I might consider running for councilman... which was legal, because I was a legal resident ... I just wasn't going to stay long enough to finish a term.) HERE, for ME, my license proves I am a citizen (because my place of birth is given)... but my point was not that my license proves my citizenship, but that it proves my LAWFUL RESIDENCY... which yours does, too. Incidentally, most places, UK servicemembers can buy ammo at the gun range because they're considered representatives of a foreign mission to the US Government (Her Majesty's Forces).

ETA: as a State's Rights issue, if they WANTED to, Michigan could open all state and local elections to voting by non-citizen legal residents... it's been discussed in other places, I just don't see it happening. (American Exceptionalism, and all that).
 
this november, i will hand them my drivers license, AND W2 form. it,s not required, but maybe it should be. i want them to know I PAYED for my right to vote.
 
I PAYED for my right to vote
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No you didn't. It was given to you for free when you reached legal age.

Requiring a job to vote? Do you realize how many Americans are out out of work by no choice of their own? Sounds a little like the early 1900's to me...
 
HAHAHA, no,no,no... you've got it backwards... this is America... you vote for FREE, and the politicians try to buy YOU! (Consider telling them you'll trade your vote for RKBA).

THERE'S an activist posterboard for your next demonstration:

* AMERICAN *
* Will Vote for RKBA *
 
Per the law: "knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person -" is prohibited from buying firearms or ammunition.

For this reason, those of us lucky enough to live in Texas can buy or sell a firearm to another person without having to get permission from the state or local police, and we sure don't have to show no stinkin' card to do so. Same applies to ammunition-- unless you have reasonable cause to believe the person can't own it, you can sell it. That's what we call "freedom".
 
free? there is nothing in the country that,s free. somebody has to pay for it. i believe those who give nothing should stay home and let those who pay the taxes that pay for thier ebt cards, medical, rent, electric decide who,s going to spend their tax money.
never happen tho. voter rights and all that liberal crap.
 
SCOTUS has already validated States right to require ID to vote.

My views on who should be allowed to vote would probably shock most here, but I’ll keep them to myself.
 
The only reason you have to show an ID to buy ammo is to prove you are over 21. No information is retained after the purchase.

In regards to voting, I show my ID even though it's not required in NC to make things easier on the precinct clerks. It's hard to live in the US with out a photo ID. A photo ID is required for any financial transaction. A photo ID is required to get food stamps or any form of aid. Employers want to see a photo ID and a social security card to make sure you are a US citizen.
 
This is the thing about showin ID when voting... some people complain that it disenfranchises people who HAVE NO ID. Who has NO ID? You can't get a bank account, a job, a lease, or even FOOD STAMPS without a state ID. I know a homeless guy who has a library card, so he can use the computers and stay in the air conditioning... HE had ID (they won't give a library card to a person without an ID). He doesn't even have an address other than the Salvation Army shelter, but he has ID. What kind of person has NO ID?
Still, I'm glad the feds haven't (yet) pushed through the notion that you have to show ID for something your State says is legal... kinda sounds like, "YOOR PEPPERS, PLEES, COMRADE!"
 
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