Pietta J H Dance&Brothers .36 cal- is that what this is ?

[electricfactory]

I'm in negotiations with a guy I've bought a Colt Dragoon from before for his Pietta J H Dance&Brothers.36 cal. The thing is there are no Italian marks on the gun at all, not even Pietta under the barrel. Just the serial numbers you see. I asked if the gun had been defarbed but he says no. Any thoughts from looking at the pics about how old it might be and why it has no markings ? Is there any chance they made them this way ?

 

[arcticap]

I'm in negotiations with a guy I've bought a Colt Dragoon from before for his Pietta J H Dance&Brothers.36 cal. The thing is there are no Italian marks on the gun at all, not even Pietta under the barrel. Just the serial numbers you see. I asked if the gun had been defarbed but he says no. Any thoughts from looking at the pics about how old it might be and why it has no markings ? Is there any chance they made them this way ?

I don't know if it's an Uberti or Pietta.
The details of your gun don't seem to match the known descriptions of markings on either, but yes, anything is possible.
The fact that someone has it shows that there's more than the ones described by expat_alaska.
He posted about them on both pages of a thread on THR: --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/it’s-the-last-one-i-promise.872515/#post-11588073

And also dedicated a thread on the Black Powder Smoke forum: --->>> https://blackpowdersmoke.com/revolvers/index.php/topic,560.0.html

 

[expat_alaska]

The details of your gun don't seem to match the known descriptions of markings on either, but yes, anything is possible.
The fact that someone has it shows that there's more than the ones described by expat_alaska.
He posted about them on both pages of a thread on THR: --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/it’s-the-last-one-i-promise.872515/#post-11588073

And also dedicated a thread on the Black Powder Smoke forum: --->>> https://blackpowdersmoke.com/revolvers/index.php/topic,560.0.html

IMHO, it a very well done defarbed Italian replica, not historically correct, and it is not a Pietta. The dead giveaway is the load aperture on the right side of the barrel lug. It is any one of the following: Uberti, ASM, ASP, et al. The Pietta Dance .36 revolvers were only a one-year run (BH/1996) with squareback trigger guard, blade front sight, S/N C00xxx on the bottom of the frame only, Pietta small "tail" gripframe, barrel billboards infilled in white, with datecode and proof marks.

This is S/N C00013 (one of only 35 produced with the Angleton Texas barrel marking) in my collection:



There has been a lot of interest in replica Dance .36 revolvers in the past couple of years, with several folks (here and abroad) creating Dance .36 revolvers using "mishandled"/abused 1851 Navy revolvers of several manufacturers. These were created by a guy in Germany whom I correspond with. He has access to a master gunsmith there who creates what he desires using Italian repro revolvers. These are from Pietta donor revolvers. Very well done with all blued steel parts like the originals:



He and 3 other interested friends are now embarking upon a project to create 4 Tucker, Sherrard, and Company/Clark, Sherrard and Company revolvers (yes, there are differences) using ASM 2nd Model Dragoons as donor revolvers, which are evidently cheaper over there than Uberti Dragoons. I am in the process of scanning many pages from a book I have concerning them so as to give him more historical info than what he has been able to find on the Internet.

I will start a thread about their progress when it comes to fruition.

Regards,

Jim

 

[Bubba32]

Question to the OP - are there any markings hiding on the bottom of the barrel under the loading lever by chance?

 

[mac1029]

Check out this link to a Dance being marketed as a 1851. Best part theyre in stock.
https://www.budk.com/Replica-1851-Navy-Black-Powder-Pistol-Accurate-Rep-47518

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

Check out this link to a Dance being marketed as a 1851. Best part theyre in stock.
https://www.budk.com/Replica-1851-Navy-Black-Powder-Pistol-Accurate-Rep-47518

I wouldn't get my hopes up on that being a Dance.
I think they just used the wrong stock photos.
Description says "depiction on the cylinder of the Texas Navy’s victory over the Mexican fleet in 1843"
The picture says no.
They also won't ship to Michigan for some odd reason.

 

[mac1029]

Yes after further observation, you can see no step on the frame, barrel says .44, so no bueno.
But I agree it's a stock photo(s).

 

[expat_alaska]

Yes after further observation, you can see no step on the frame, barrel says .44, so no bueno.
But I agree it's a stock photo(s).

There is no step on the frame because the photos are of a Pietta Dance .44 of recent manufacture. Pietta used an 1851 Navy frame that has been lowered, without the step, using a non-rebated .44 cylinder that is larger in diameter than the Pietta 1851 Navy .36 cylinder for their Dance .44. That means a different bolt than a Pietta Navy .36 and maybe a few other parts that don't interchange with the Pietta Navy .36.



The dealer has no inkling about what he is selling if he is using those photos. What he is selling is a Pietta 1851 Navy .36 steel frame with the wrong photos.

Someone needs to ring their bell and tell them they are full of it.

Regards,

Jim

 

[electricfactory]

Not a one.

Question to the OP - are there any markings hiding on the bottom of the barrel under the loading lever by chance?