Pietta vs. Traditions?
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Ephraim Kibbey
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Traditions imports Piettas and other manufactures products and markets them through various retailers.
Ephraim Kibbey
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According to Old South,
http://www.oldsouthfirearms.com/1858remington44calsteelframe8octbarrel.aspx
their Traditions Remington is made by Pietta.
http://www.oldsouthfirearms.com/1858remington44calsteelframe8octbarrel.aspx
their Traditions Remington is made by Pietta.
Willie Sutton
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Traditions is Pietta, same as Cimmaron is Uberti.
Just importers names on one of the two Italian makers. Ain't nobody else but Pietta and Uberti building these things these days. My overall impression is that Traditions is the bottom of the barrel quality-line of Pietta, sold mass market. I'm not a Pietta fan by any means and prefer Uberti's to start with (especially for an 1858 Remmie), and within the Pietta "family" I'd personally avoid Traditions products if at all possible. I'm not sure the words "Traditions" and "Quality" ought to be used in the same paragraph unless the word "poor" or at least "variable" is also included. That's just me, your own opinion may vary.
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Just importers names on one of the two Italian makers. Ain't nobody else but Pietta and Uberti building these things these days. My overall impression is that Traditions is the bottom of the barrel quality-line of Pietta, sold mass market. I'm not a Pietta fan by any means and prefer Uberti's to start with (especially for an 1858 Remmie), and within the Pietta "family" I'd personally avoid Traditions products if at all possible. I'm not sure the words "Traditions" and "Quality" ought to be used in the same paragraph unless the word "poor" or at least "variable" is also included. That's just me, your own opinion may vary.
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whughett
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ON the other hand my 1860 Army by Pietta is a superb shooter, just as accurate as my 1858 Remington by uberti. Only the ROA's shoot better.
Crawdad1
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I agree with Will, I stay away from the Traditions Pietta also. They're just too loose. I had some good Pietta built revolvers, mostly Remingtons, but they weren't sold by Traditions. Granted the few Traditions I have handle should not be considered a general observation of their whole line, but I have handled a few and those few I did handle I did not like.
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PainlessWolf
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Pietta does an excellent job on their top drawer stuff like the LeMat, the 1860 Army and the Remington. I'm not sure what the issue is with the guns that they market under the 'Traditions' stamp unless they are just beginners models from some kit line that they have set aside in their factory.
Crawdad1
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Maybe Traditions gives Pietta a price point to meet and then buy accordingly. Similar to the Spanish shotguns that were imported by Sears and other big box stores back when.
frontiergander
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You guys I swear!
I have a Traditions 1860 army revolver, its a beautiful pistol and funtions perfectly. Its a Pietta and traditions puts it in one of their traditions branded boxes. Thats the only difference.
I have a Traditions 1860 army revolver, its a beautiful pistol and funtions perfectly. Its a Pietta and traditions puts it in one of their traditions branded boxes. Thats the only difference.
ontarget
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I have to agree with Frontier gander. In a factory they either pass QC or they don't. It's not like they have a different line that makes "lesser quality" products. That would not be cost effective by any means. The only variable may be the standards of the individual importer, but even then it makes no sense that all of one make or the other would be good or bad.
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Great looking revolver!! 
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"In a factory they either pass QC or they don't."
^^ This, which is why the vaunted "superiority" of Cimmaron Ubertis is in the mind of Cimmaron buyers and nobody else, and why Pietta and Traditions are one and the same.
as for Pietta <sigh>...You gotta *love* the grafitti on the things.... when will Pietta figure out that they are losing sales due to their markings? I guess the Walmart and Cabelas price-point buyers don't care and maybe that genre of buyer needs those "black powder only" markings where they can't be missed.
Oh well.... :banghead:
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^^ This, which is why the vaunted "superiority" of Cimmaron Ubertis is in the mind of Cimmaron buyers and nobody else, and why Pietta and Traditions are one and the same.
as for Pietta <sigh>...You gotta *love* the grafitti on the things.... when will Pietta figure out that they are losing sales due to their markings? I guess the Walmart and Cabelas price-point buyers don't care and maybe that genre of buyer needs those "black powder only" markings where they can't be missed.
Oh well.... :banghead:
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Panzerschwein
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Wille, it's the same people why buy the .44 caliber brass framed short barrel 1851 "Confederate Navy" guns thinking they were an actual gun back then who could care less about all the barrel markings on Piettas.
Let's face it, most people who buy cap and ball revolvers don't worry about historical correctness. They care about the price and wait for said cheap Pietta to be on sale at Cabelas so they can buy them for $100, take some pictures and make a thread to show others like them what an awesome gun they got for such a low price. The gun will then sit in there closet for the rest of its life and never be shot.
That's just the way it goes, and Pietta knows it. I just recently bought a Pietta made Spiller and Burr, and am disappointed at its quality and it has numerous design changes that are not at all historically correct... but, no one cares because it too is a price point gun.
Let's face it, most people who buy cap and ball revolvers don't worry about historical correctness. They care about the price and wait for said cheap Pietta to be on sale at Cabelas so they can buy them for $100, take some pictures and make a thread to show others like them what an awesome gun they got for such a low price. The gun will then sit in there closet for the rest of its life and never be shot.
That's just the way it goes, and Pietta knows it. I just recently bought a Pietta made Spiller and Burr, and am disappointed at its quality and it has numerous design changes that are not at all historically correct... but, no one cares because it too is a price point gun.
Crawdad1
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Cooldill, I saw your post over on the other thread about your new Spiller & Burr revolver and how disappointed you were. But you're right. People buy them and shoot them occasionally then get tired of it and put them away or spend more time on their rifles or shotguns. Why spend a bunch of money on something like that? Can't blame them.
But how does that Spiller & Burr compare to your '51 Colt?
But how does that Spiller & Burr compare to your '51 Colt?
they are the same gun. I just got my traditions Buffalo Home tonight and the books are all Pietta...
I just looked at the warranty card of traditions, and they don't come out and say much other than if you EVER have a problem with the gun call them and they'll make it right, pretty much is how they put it without saying much. They tell you not to take it back to the dealer though.... Interesting.
Aloha...
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^^ Because WalMart doesn't do gunsmithing?
Likely they just toss 'em out and replace them, their direct cost to replace one is probobly about $60 or so.
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Likely they just toss 'em out and replace them, their direct cost to replace one is probobly about $60 or so.
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alexander45
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the roll marks on the pietta arnt "that" bad I'm not horribly happy about them but they arnt that glaringly terrible and the vast majority of modern guns have piles of them (ever seen the slide of a s&w made ppk? dear god man).
but I will say the piettas are not the best quality having the rear sight cut cock eyed on the Colts is very common but they tend to be very accurate once you figure out were the point of aim really is
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Panzerschwein
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I personally HATE the Pietta rollmarks.
It's just a huge distraction from the gun's design. Uberti is VERY good about minimizing them, going so far as to put the "black powder only" mark in small font underneath the rammer on most models. It is excellent, and they don't seem to go nearly as crazy with the inspection stamping as Pietta either.
But like somebody else said, most shooters who buy the Piettas from Cabelas during a rock-bottom dollar sale probably could care less. They also don't care if their ".44 Navy brass frame confederate Colt" is historically correct or not, just that it was cheap.
It's just a huge distraction from the gun's design. Uberti is VERY good about minimizing them, going so far as to put the "black powder only" mark in small font underneath the rammer on most models. It is excellent, and they don't seem to go nearly as crazy with the inspection stamping as Pietta either.
But like somebody else said, most shooters who buy the Piettas from Cabelas during a rock-bottom dollar sale probably could care less. They also don't care if their ".44 Navy brass frame confederate Colt" is historically correct or not, just that it was cheap.
alexander45
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Lol I wouldn't mind a brass frame 1851 in .36 or one of the brass remmies but that's more of a I like how they look thing. And yes the ubertis are excellent to the point the parts are drop ins for real colts
Noz
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I love to see threads like this. When I see a Traditions or Pietta 1860 offered for sale I can use this to drive the price down. I'll take either brand over an Uberti any day.
Tis the reason I bought the target models.... my first enfield fixed sights and quickly tired of aiming for the edge of the paper... to the point we soldered on a ramp front sight and a Krag rear sight.... ... almost looked authentic with the Krag...
... almost looked authentic with the Krag... Guess I'm just one of those "Wal-Mart/Cabelas need to read the warnings on the cheap Eye-tal-yun Gun" kinda guys. Funny thing is, I've never had a problem hitting my targets (once I found the sweet load for both of my NMA's) even with the big, giant billboard down the side of the barrel. But thanks for looking out for guys like me!
Seriously, I've heard a lot of complaints about the Pietta replicas; but I must be "charmed", as both of my NMA's lock up tight every time. If Traditions can purchase that kind of worksmanship and put it in their packaging, good on them! OBTW, my son has one of those "totally fictitious .44 Cal 1851's" and he likes it. It was present from his Aunt; who won it as a door prize at a SASS banquet. It makes lots of smoke and noise and it's helping him to learn proper handling of a revolver better than when he was wasting box after box of 44 Spcl with my old S&W 629. And as with his '51 and my NMA's, the billboard down the side doesn't seem to affect his sight picture.
One buys what one wants, from whichever firm that sells what he wants; and that's the beauty of capitalism - or how it hopefully will return to beauty, after the 2016 elections. And, as always, take that with a heavy dose of caveat emptor, no matter which vendor.
Two other thoughts (that I hope don't get me kicked off of this Forum):
1.)I seem to have read in threads on this board, complaints about "the billboard" down the side on certain generations of ROA's. Doesn't seem to effect the ROA's shootability and/or tarnish its reputation.
2.) Inasmuch as Pietta's plant is nearly as far from Hartford, Connecticut as can possibly traveled while staying on this planet; would that not intimate that Pietta-, Uberti-, HEGE- and Feinwerkbau- built 1863 NMA's, 1851 Navy's and all other manner of Colt replicas ALSO BE "totally fictitious Colt's" (or Remingtons)?
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Seriously, I've heard a lot of complaints about the Pietta replicas; but I must be "charmed", as both of my NMA's lock up tight every time. If Traditions can purchase that kind of worksmanship and put it in their packaging, good on them! OBTW, my son has one of those "totally fictitious .44 Cal 1851's" and he likes it. It was present from his Aunt; who won it as a door prize at a SASS banquet. It makes lots of smoke and noise and it's helping him to learn proper handling of a revolver better than when he was wasting box after box of 44 Spcl with my old S&W 629. And as with his '51 and my NMA's, the billboard down the side doesn't seem to affect his sight picture.
One buys what one wants, from whichever firm that sells what he wants; and that's the beauty of capitalism - or how it hopefully will return to beauty, after the 2016 elections. And, as always, take that with a heavy dose of caveat emptor, no matter which vendor.
Two other thoughts (that I hope don't get me kicked off of this Forum):
1.)I seem to have read in threads on this board, complaints about "the billboard" down the side on certain generations of ROA's. Doesn't seem to effect the ROA's shootability and/or tarnish its reputation.
2.) Inasmuch as Pietta's plant is nearly as far from Hartford, Connecticut as can possibly traveled while staying on this planet; would that not intimate that Pietta-, Uberti-, HEGE- and Feinwerkbau- built 1863 NMA's, 1851 Navy's and all other manner of Colt replicas ALSO BE "totally fictitious Colt's" (or Remingtons)?
Just Sayin'
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