Pike County, Illinois tells state that they will not recognize anti-2a laws

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turning out the liberal ruling party and electing a conservative government that has systematically dismantled the registry.
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uhh... not quite. We indeed elected the Conservative government, but their "promise" to dismantle the gun registry hasn't quite worked out that way....
 
Actually, if you subtract Chicago, Rockford, and East St. Louis, the rest of Illinois is great. (Speaking as a former Rockford resident). Illinois gives us Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms and Winchester Ammunition.
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Even Rockford isn't all that bad. Its borderline sometimes, but the citizens did take away home rule from the politicians.

Illinois could be a decent state if Chicago just slid into the lake.
 
Owen,

The whole thing reads:

New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.
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David
 
I went and looked it up too. You missed a part.
Article IV, Section 3. New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.
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You can do it, you just have to get permission. They don't say exactly what "consent" equates to, as far as how many votes or anything. So, you get the permission of Congress, and of the Ill legislature, and you're good to go. You just have to spin it just right, to keep them from seeing the fact that you're killing thier majority in Congress, and making it harder to get it back.
 
Huzzah for the Americans in Illinois!

Incidentally, as to the breakaway state clause, I've always thought that structurally, they were more useful for chucking an area out of your state than in founding your own.

Hmmm....I wonder...you know, states like PA and Illinois are structurally well set up to eject their cities....
 
Finally, a group in Illinois that is standing tall. I live in St. Clair county in Illinois and what I wouldn't give to see something like this happen in my county. I will be writing letters starting today!!!
 
man, if cook county would just fall into the lake, we'd have a fabulous state. it'd be so doable with blago living up there, effectively giving the finger to everyone south of 80. i don't think rockford or ESL would wreck things (at least not any more than, say, kankakee) if we could just break the corrupt grip of chicago on the folks with some sense.
 
I am from Roodhouse, Greene county IL , Pike county borders us on the west via the Illinios river We have traditionally voted against the liberal chicago political machine but We do not have the votes to combat their BS We once had a politician from down state who proposed secession from chicago and renaming anything outside of chicago metro area Lower Forgotonia Our schools are underfunded our roads are crap and our economy is in the toilet but at least for now we enjoy some of the best hunting around Ask anyone who has hunted our area ie..Pike Greene Scott and Calhoun counties By the way Pike county is also the home of PASA park a major shooting sports compound and past and present host of USPSA limited and unlimited national tournaments, The Masters, And this very weekend the Single Stack nationals promising 200 nationally known and unknown shooters of non high capacity 1911's. Sorry I tend to ramble any way we are behind you Pike county keep up the good fight
 
Now all we have to do is get a few counties in NY to do the same. Throw off the yoke of Bloomberg et al.
 
I would like Chicago to become its own state. They can take all of crook county though I do believe some of the cook towns would jump ship. There should be some way to keep large cities from causing trouble for the rest of the state. New York, Philly, Chicago, LA. I dont begin to claim I have any idea how, but to have given that much control and money to one city in a whole state is wrong. Is there anyway to see how much of a drain a city is. Tax dollars in versus tax dollars out. In othr words do the cities contribute more to the state treasury than they demand. Again I do not know where to btgin to look. You have sales tax, income, fuel ect. If anyone knows it would be more ammo tolessen their choke hold.


Len
 
Just a couple of points....

First, I wish they whould have included a reference to the Illinois constitution:

Article 1, SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS
Subject only to the police power, the right of the
individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.

Second, while I appreciate the sentiment, it won't stop State Troopers from enforcing the laws in question.
 
Read the tag line--Carroll County has an A-graded NRA Democrat working by our leave in Springfield. And G-d bless and keep that happy chappy Mike Boland! He will not fail our trust in 1000 years!

Free Illinois lives in all corners of the state!
 
Any division would be along those lines--as close to the city limits as is practical.

The Senate supposedly counters the House in terms of influence. While Reps are chosen by population, giving denser areas more representation, the Senate goes the other way, and they balance out. Since the seventeenth amendment, this hasn't been working like it should. I'm curious about how dividing the state, and therefore adding two more senators that will most likely be conservative, would affect national politics.

Since Chicago seems to control the politics, you'd have to find some way to spin it to make it look like it's a good thing for them. Any ideas? We could get several states doing this at the same time, and they wouldn't realize what happened until after the fallout in the next election.
 
Since Chicago seems to control the politics, you'd have to find some way to spin it to make it look like it's a good thing for them. Any ideas?
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How about they don't even have to make show of sharing any federal money with those of us down here.

I don't mean this as wishing harm on any Chicagoland THR member or any other innocent person, but every morning when the clock radio plays the news when I wake up that it doesn't say that al-queda nuked Chicago or that Daley upchucked and choked to death on his own vomit in his sleep, I know the day won't be as good as it could be.

Jeff
 
If Chicago becomes its own state along with Philadelphia, St. Louis, New York, Miami, and other major cities then the US Senate will gain a lot of senators. 2 for each "state." And if we go by usual trends they will be Democrats and anti-gun.

And imagine how it may affect the House of Represenatives. More anti gun senators?

I do support this resolution very much and would love to see it passed but I dont think rural Illinois will secede from Chicago.
 
owen said:
Gah, you are going to make me go read it. I'm pretty sure there is a clause which states that new states can not be formed out of established states.

Article 4 Section 3 ...No new state may be erected within the jurisdiction of any other State...
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You only quoted a small part of the Section, and by doing so you reversed the meaning. The entire Section reads as follows:
Article 4 said:
Section 3
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States
shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State
be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the
Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and
Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United
States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice
any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
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First, new states may be formed within existing states, but it requires state and Congressional approval. Second, handing a chunk of one state (such as East St. Louis, IL, off to another state (such as MO) does not create a new state, it merely transfers part of one existing state to another existing state. I submit that there might be some legitimate debate as to whether or not such an action is addressed by this particular section of the Constitution.

Some info on the legal hurdles might be found by researching the move of one town in Vermont to secede from VT and make themselves a part of New Hampshire ... even though theiy are not contiguous to NH. I'm sure they have done a lot of research, because a couple/few years ago they were very serious about pursuing that course of action.
 
I dont begin to claim I have any idea how, but to have given that much control and money to one city in a whole state is wrong. Is there anyway to see how much of a drain a city is.
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The problem is that the big cities usually have their own congressional districts, maybe even two. These districts swing the vote in congress easily.
 
Now all we have to do is get a few counties in NY to do the same. Throw off the yoke of Bloomberg et al.
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Already forwarded a copy to my local county rep (also the Chairman of the Board of Legislators) and another pro 2A rep in the county encouraging them to do the same.

Doubt much will come of it but I am always encouraged when the people express themselves in support of the Bill of Rights.
 
How about building a big fence around the city limits?

You know - to stop those evil guns sneaking into town after dark.
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