Pistol for girlfriend--FNP, CZ, other?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Feb 10, 2003
Messages
549
Location
Mizzoorah
My girlfriend has smallish hands and prefers a single-action trigger. I want a 9mm with decent capacity and traditional double action, preferably one that allows "cocked and locked" as an option. I would like it to be small enough for "purse carry" but big enough for easy house and range use. So far, I am thinking about either the FNP or one of the compact CZ models.

The FNP compact is not much smaller than their full-sized model, but it has interchangeable back straps and, being a polymer framed gun with a steel mag, is pretty slim. It is definitely on the big side of what I am looking for.

On the other hand, the CZ compact models are relatively small and have decent capacity. They are heavier, though, and the polymer framed guns are, for lack of a better term, icky. After all, I want it to be something she likes.

Does anyone have any suggestions meeting the above criteria?
 
The alloy framed CZ pistols like the PCR, PO1, and RAMI are fine for CCW, BUT, you would be much better off letting HER pick it out, wrap hands around it, etc. Force something on her, and she will likely not practice/carry/etc. And get her quality instrution from somebody else, teaching some one you love, well, that can mess up a relationship.


Whaddya mean, ICKY!?!? :)

p07shirt1.jpg
 
I agree to let her choose her own gun as you should choose yours. It sounds like the problem is you want one gun to work as both her concealed carry weapon (purse carry) and also your range/home protection pistol. This is your problem because of the likes/dislikes of both shooter. Seems you need to go get two handguns, and throw in a 22lr for good measure. If this is impossible then the compact or subcompact CZ is good because the ability to change capacity and grip length is as easy as changing a magazine.
 
stilletto raggio said:
My girlfriend has smallish hands and prefers a single-action trigger. I want a 9mm with decent capacity and traditional double action, preferably one that allows "cocked and locked" as an option. . .
I must ask you this: why then do you want a DA/SA? In my opinion, your girlfriend should ultimately be the one who picks out her pistol.

With that said, I second tLancerMW's recommendation for the Springfield EMP--that is, as an option for your girlfriend to consider. The EMP is SAO (being a 1911), plus has a reduced-diameter grip for smaller hands. It doesn't have great capacity (6+1 or 7+1, IIRC), but 15+ rounds won't mean anything if she can't shoot it due to an oversized grip.
 
If you can accept a .380, the Sig 238 fits the bill perfectly.
If it has to be a 9mm, I'll third the EMP
 
Browning Hi Power. Learn to love C&L.

Also, she may want to check out the S&W M&P, available both with and without thumbsafety, plus the triggers are good.
 
LET HER CHOOSE HER OWN CARRY WEAPON
my $.02

I bought six different handguns (lack of a public range in town at that time) and then let my wife choose from them. She settled on a Taurus Millennium Pro 111 (9mm 10+1) and never goes anywhere without it. AND, I got five new handguns out of the deal.
 
Small grip and single action screams Browning Hi Power to me. If you want a smaller one, look for the FM M-95 Detective copy.
 
I agree with everyone saying to let her pick it. I sell guns, and a lot of guys who buy their girlfriends' or wives' carry guns end up trying to return them (which we can't do).

Taurus 709 Slim. Single stack, lightweight, 3.2" barrel, 9mm, ergonomic with a decent trigger pull. Also has a trigger safety, which in my experience, girls like.

If a .380 is OK, I would suggest a Bersa CC. Built from the top down for concealed carry. Very slim, trimmed down sights, unobtrusive hammer. The grips are very thin. And the single action pull is decent. I don't know about cocked and locked; the safety may be a little hard to disengage in a bad situation.

The Springfield EMP is a beautiful little gun, but a little pricey like 1911s tend to be. If she wanted to go even thinner, Para Slim Hawg. I've heard reliability horror stories about Para, though.
 
Last edited:
I know this is in the autoloader section but I think you might consider a revolver also. S&W makes some very concealable, very small hand friendly guns.

Of course that little 9mm 1911 might just be the ticket...I'd never be able to find one in my area...it seems the 9mm 1911's are super hard to come by down here TN way.
 
Just three things!

Wives and Girlfriends should choose their own; everyone agrees! If she doesn’t, count on "the shoes" experience...

My small handed wife shopped my safe for years, most often shot 357 SAA (because it was a challenge) is best at shooting the Hi Power and loves it the most based on the one gun test.

Carrying anything "cocked and locked" in a purse is asking for trouble.
 
While I understand and appreciate the input of all the people saying "you have to let her pick," let me give the background here.

First, it is not her first gun. She has a 20 gauge 870 that she shoots trap with regularly and loves it. She may be getting an upgrade to a 12 gauge 1100 for Christmas. We'll see.

I own 30+ handguns, of which she has shot at least half. Little does she know, but I have been taking notes on what she shoots well. I have asked her what she likes or doesn't like about various guns. In effect, she has given me her preferences, and I am not doing this in a vacuum. Here is the list:

Likes: single-action trigger pulls, manual safeties, 9mm (but prefers .45 to .40 because it is less snappy), easy control manipulation

Dislikes: triggers with a lot of take-up (DAO or Glock-type), fat grips, high recoil

Now, applying what I know about how she shoots and potential uses for the gun, I've narrowed it down to these general requirements.

I keeping with her preferences, I want a 9mm with a manual safety. It needs to have easy to reach controls (or readily available aftermarket extensions) because she hates having to shift her grip to reach safeties or slide and mag releases. It also needs to have a relatively small grip. She likes my Witness .45 but says that the grip is too big, hence I thought about a small framed CZ-75 type.

I have looked at the EMP. Two problems: mandatory cocked-and-locked and I cannot afford a thousand dollar pistol for my girlfriend.

Cocked-and-locked pistols are fine as house and range guns but (as others have said) putting a cocked pistol in a purse or anywhere else it can get jumbled and bumped is a bad idea. Hence, traditional double action with the option to put the safety on without decocking. I am not looking at this primarily as a carry gun, I just want something she could put in her purse if she needed to, which is to say, not a full-sized 1911. She doesn't have a permit yet and, as a college student, she spends about half of her time in places where she can't carry. If/when she feels comfortable getting a permit, we can shop for a dedicated carry gun. In the meantime, a range/house gun is what she needs, it just can't be so big/heavy that it precludes carry altogether.

She likes shooting revolvers, but only in single action. she loves my 4-5/8" Blackhawk in .357, but that doesn't really meet the intent here.

Last but not least: .380 is completely out of the picture. It is underpowered, ammo is tough to get these days and much more expensive than 9mm, and since most .380 are blowback and not lock-breached, they actually kick a bit more than some 9mms. Otherwise the CZ-83 would be high on the list.

And yes, I think the synthetic CZs and Witnesses are seriously lacking in the style department. Have you seen the way Europeans dress? They were obviously designed by a man who wears capri pants.
 
Last edited:
I'm a guy with small hands (I wear a size 8 glove, men's small) and the grip of the CZ-75B, in my opinion, is about as good as it gets.

However, I don't own one because the controls are not easy to reach. The standard trigger in double action mode is at limit of my trigger finger. I considered getting the CZ-75B and just using it as a single action pistol which would make the trigger reach usable, but I cannot comfortably reach the standard thumb safety without rotating the gun in my hand.

Your Witness has more curve to the trigger than the standard CZ-75B trigger, but you can buy a replacement trigger for the CZ-75 with more curve that may be helpful. The CZ-75B S/A (single action) looks to have easier to reach controls, but then you are back to cocked and locked.

Nothing fits my hand as well a 1911. The trigger and thumb safety are exactly where they need to be to fit my hand. It does have some limitations compared to other pistols, but to me, the fit of the 1911 outweighs whatever limitations it may have. I don't own a Hi-Power, but I believe the trigger and thumb safety would also work well.

I don't think there is a perfect pistol (at least for me anyway). You just need to weigh all the pros and cons and decide what features you need and where you are willing to compromise.

I would still let her pick out her own pistol though.
 
I kept thinking when reading through the comments, "If I don't have an EMP, there's no way the girlfriend is getting one." So i hear ya. Great gun, but way too expensive.

Have you handled the Taurus 709 Slim? I don't remember all of the details of how the trigger feels, but it's small, has a manual safety, and you can get it (exclusively?) in 9mm.

There's also the Millenium Pro series.
 
Heh, heh, so an EMP is too expensive for her, so you'll get her a Taurus? Geez...
This is all mute. Give her a price range and let her choose a gun.
 
Last edited:
traditional double action with the option to put the safety on without decocking

in that scenario, you flip the safety off, then pull the trigger.

with a 1911, you grip the pistol to dis-engage the grip safety, flip the safety off, pull the trigger.

so you think this is safer than a C&L'd 1911?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top