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I've seen a lot of shooters that saw PGOs as being the way to go because they were running a full stock that was awkwardly long for them and they didn't know about shorter or shortening stocks.
Pistol grip shotguns... pointless or practical?
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My advice on the subject hasn't changed from previous threads. If you wonder about a pistol grip only stock go out and buy one and find out for yourself. After you've admired just what a badass looking guy you are in the mirorr then go to the range and shoot it.
If you feel comfortable with it, can hit targets are the distances you are likely to have to use the gun and like the trade off between control and compactness then keep it and ignore the Internet advice.
If you think it's all gone down hill after you preened in the mirror, your hands are hurting and you wondered who was the dumb SOB was who came with that idea then put your full stock on and sell the PGO to the next dumb sucker who comes along.
I use a full stock on my guns.
If you feel comfortable with it, can hit targets are the distances you are likely to have to use the gun and like the trade off between control and compactness then keep it and ignore the Internet advice.
If you think it's all gone down hill after you preened in the mirror, your hands are hurting and you wondered who was the dumb SOB was who came with that idea then put your full stock on and sell the PGO to the next dumb sucker who comes along.
I use a full stock on my guns.
amd6547
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I hope YOU enjoy admiring yourself in the mirror, and estimating your badass quotient. Never been one of my shooting exercises, but it apparantly is for some people.
Yes, I often ignore internet wisdom, and gun magzine wisdom before there was an internet. I prefer to think for myself.
When I started shooting handguns for self defense, the gun experts claimed that auto pistols jammed all the time, thus were worthless for SD. I found I prefered the Browning HiPower, and that it never jammed. This was at a time when most every cop in America carried a S&W model 10. This started me down the road to thinking for myself in the field of firearms.
There are methods to shooting the PG shotgun which help control recoil, methods which apply to stocked shotguns as well.
Once again, if you do not like them, or find yourself incapable of shooting them, then don't. The PG shotgun excells at close range SD, in the hands of someone who knows how to shoot one.
Yes, I often ignore internet wisdom, and gun magzine wisdom before there was an internet. I prefer to think for myself.
When I started shooting handguns for self defense, the gun experts claimed that auto pistols jammed all the time, thus were worthless for SD. I found I prefered the Browning HiPower, and that it never jammed. This was at a time when most every cop in America carried a S&W model 10. This started me down the road to thinking for myself in the field of firearms.
There are methods to shooting the PG shotgun which help control recoil, methods which apply to stocked shotguns as well.
Once again, if you do not like them, or find yourself incapable of shooting them, then don't. The PG shotgun excells at close range SD, in the hands of someone who knows how to shoot one.
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Well, at least you admit you've never tried one. And no, the recoil is very controllable.
I do and I did.
Bought one last week as a truck gun. Shot a squirrel at 25yrds the same day.
Shoot from the hip?! ***. Maybe if you're a 12 year old girl. I had no problems holding it in a regular position (kept it a fair distance from my face
though).
Personally? I love it. Wish it was shorter.
Recoil was not bad. I will admit that after shooting a box of 25rnds of 2 3/4bird shot my wrist was a little sore. But as far as recoil for the purposes of a follow up shot, not bad. Marginal when compared to what you would experience with a regular shotgun.
Shoot from the hip?! ***. Maybe if you're a 12 year old girl. I had no problems holding it in a regular position (kept it a fair distance from my face
though). Personally? I love it. Wish it was shorter.
Recoil was not bad. I will admit that after shooting a box of 25rnds of 2 3/4bird shot my wrist was a little sore. But as far as recoil for the purposes of a follow up shot, not bad. Marginal when compared to what you would experience with a regular shotgun.
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Mr Kablammo
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Pistol grip SGs tend to sell a lot in locales where longarms can be bought readily but handguns are highly restricted. For instance, Buffalo, NY. Understand?
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thats why i bought mine in buffalo years ago! Huzzah!
The birdshead is the way to go in my opinion but to be fair I have not tried the Knoxx breachers grip.
I like the birdshead style because it feels like a regular stock in the hand and if you are running a Mossberg it's the only grip that doesn't mess with the controls.
If you are too cheap to buy a Speedfeed and you are handy you can make your own birds head as well.....I like the feel of the 870 and there are lots of stocks out there in rough shape that are cheap to buy and convert. You will notice I left a little nub on the end to satisfy the inevitable " you can't butt stroke with a PGO" comment!
I like the birdshead style because it feels like a regular stock in the hand and if you are running a Mossberg it's the only grip that doesn't mess with the controls.
If you are too cheap to buy a Speedfeed and you are handy you can make your own birds head as well.....I like the feel of the 870 and there are lots of stocks out there in rough shape that are cheap to buy and convert. You will notice I left a little nub on the end to satisfy the inevitable " you can't butt stroke with a PGO" comment!
Alright Dave, I cannot do a three gun because my legs do not work well anymore but I will put my top folder up against a full stocked gun if you ever come down Tennessee way. But we both run both guns so experience with any particular gun is not a factor.
PJR, you plain have an attitude problem.
Moderators, with the exception of Dave, I have said this before, just because you do not like PGO's does not mean you should let people who are against PGO's start calling names.
PJR, you plain have an attitude problem.
Moderators, with the exception of Dave, I have said this before, just because you do not like PGO's does not mean you should let people who are against PGO's start calling names.
To simulate a trip to the range where you would shoot 20 rounds of high-brass 12-gauge shells through a pistol-grip Mossberg, take a length of steel pipe (1.25-inch ID) in your left hand and whack it smartly into the web of your right hand between thumb and forefinger. Repeat 19 times.
It won't cripple you, but next day you'll wonder why you bothered.
It won't cripple you, but next day you'll wonder why you bothered.
My attitude isn't a problem for me but it does seem to be for you. In the spirit of warm and collegial Internet relations let me offer a suggestion. The site offers a wonderful feature called the "Ignore List." It allows you to banish forever a member whose comments cause you anxiety, sadness, discomfort or distress. For example, if I put you on my list here's what I would see when you post.Rshooter said:
Go to the User CP, on the left hand side scroll down to "Settings and Options." The fourth option is "Edit Ignore List." Click on it and follow the instructions. After doing so you can proceed unencumbered by my "attitude." It was my pleasure to help
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Yes, to a degree.
HOWEVER, if anyone QUOTES you, then the person not wanting to see your posts will see everything you wrote that was quoted.
HOWEVER, if anyone QUOTES you, then the person not wanting to see your posts will see everything you wrote that was quoted.
amd6547
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I really don't understand the animosity in the shotgun forum when this topic is raised. I don't see it anywhere else on the High Road.
As usual, this topic devolves into the anti PG crowd using hyperbole, insult, ridicule, and groupthink to attack those who do not agree. Those who shoot PG shotguns answer with their experience in a calm manner, and are answered with more hyperbole, insult and ridicule.
An example of the hyperbole is the post above by googol. If shooting a PG shotgun is the same as wacking your hand with a steel pipe, then you are doing it wrong.
As usual, this topic devolves into the anti PG crowd using hyperbole, insult, ridicule, and groupthink to attack those who do not agree. Those who shoot PG shotguns answer with their experience in a calm manner, and are answered with more hyperbole, insult and ridicule.
An example of the hyperbole is the post above by googol. If shooting a PG shotgun is the same as wacking your hand with a steel pipe, then you are doing it wrong.
Dave doesn't seem to be around, so I'm going to take a bit of moderator's license here...
I've never fired a PGO shotgun, so I don't have a valid opinion either way on that subject.
I do have an opinion on one thing though, this thread has devolved into name-calling by one camp against another.
I'm closing it. If Dave wants to re-open it, no hard feelings, it's his forum.
I've never fired a PGO shotgun, so I don't have a valid opinion either way on that subject.
I do have an opinion on one thing though, this thread has devolved into name-calling by one camp against another.
I'm closing it. If Dave wants to re-open it, no hard feelings, it's his forum.
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