Plans for outdoor pistol range on private property?

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That book says 12 ft tall berm. Probably still lawyerized considerably. Those big railroad tie boxes looked to be about 6-8 feet. That's reasonable with a bobcat loader in a day. Go to your friendly sunbelt and rent that joker. It's a lot of fun.
 
One bullet leaving your range could impact your livelihood, your standard of living and your way of life forever on top of affecting another family's life with the loss or injury of a loved one. What are the odds of stray leaving the range? Depends on how much the range is used, how safely folks use the range and the overall design of the range.

EXACTLY. Some are willing to bet their next 20-30yrs life in prison for manslaughter charge based on the ODDS?

We get hot on this subject because we are almost daily fighting this issue with new city slickers moving out here to the 'country' onto 1,2,3 acre plots and putting a pile of tree trimmings or a single 10" diam stump, at their (their neighbor's) property line and claiming they don't miss! In the country we often have real life Barney Fife local police who have no clue what is and is not safe. We are working with the NRA range design team to educate these local police. When they see the "ODDS" are that they may not hurt anyone for a long time, it gives them strength to continue unsafe practices.

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Chill out Phil...no body is telling the OP to play the odds and shoot unsafely. Just the opposite. Most of us are telling him to do it right, to be safe AND considerate of his neighbors. The odds of a stray bullet has nothing to do with building a range to contain all bullets.....sheesh.

A range that has hundreds of shooters a week, shooting hundreds of thousands of rounds from every type of firearm imaginable is different than a private range that gets used once a week or less, has to stop maybe ten thousand rounds a year and is used for handguns only. Berms don't get shot out as fast, nor is there as much problem with the ricochets off spent bullets in the berm. Experienced shooters shooting familiar firearms have less NDs with the barrel not pointed at the berm. Handguns, even with a ricochet or bad angle shot will have a hard time making it a quarter of the distance as a 30-06. Also, unlike 200 yard rifle ranges, distance shot is generally shorter. Thus berms can be smaller and still effective, especially since they need to contain shots from one or two benches instead of twenty.

Problem we have around here is not the so called "city slickers", it's the old redneck that has been sightin' in his deer rifle out the back door for 30 years. Difference was up til 5 years ago there were no other houses in the area....now they are like checkers on a checkerboard with the squares being 5 acres apiece. That old truck hood he's been using for a backstop was just fine in the old days when there was two miles between him and the neighbor....now there is only 500 yards between it and the new neighbor's swing set. As was said before, shooting safely has more to do with common sense than the size of the berm. Sorry, most folks with common sense don't consider "a pile of tree trimmings or a single 10" diam stump" a backstop/berm.



Phillip69...

It sounds like you perceive a problem in your local area with people shooting on small lots, and so have been asking questions of the NRA about safe range design. They have been providing guidance appropriate for building a public shooting range without accounting for specific use because that is information you could not possibly provide them in your (self appointed?) role as a private land shooting activist.

Do you shoot?

"Private land shooting activist".....I like that. :D
 
philip sounds like he has the EPA attitude. Make the regulation impossible for what a common person can comply with so no one can do it legally.
 
I don't think I have ever seen a range that met the criteria mentioned, and I doubt anyone else has either unless it was an indoor range.
 
back to the 1st few posts DOUBLE check with your neighbors & local trustees. I presume this is for private, occasional shooting i.e. weekend shooting, you are simply interested in SAFETY.
IMHO IANAL etc etc...I think you can build a smaller backstop then 6000' and clearance for 45miles:eek:. Constructing a backstop sufficient for STOPPING SAID ROUNDS, means a couple feet thick. The mounding effect will make it look big enough. Heigth to your liking. Again, the dirt will slope down sufficient to make it look big enough.

The way you CONTROL your rounds into the mound target area, build wooden bounce berms angled into the dirt mound on top & sides. Where you stand at to start shooting , where you are shooting from ''bench''(I'm presuming you're building that 20 yards away or so), box it in. Bench, side bench (loading area with shoot off barrel)roof (nice!), with a reverse sloped portion of roof, angled towards the target. What you can't see you won't sight at, what not sighted at won't be shot at.

So, your sight picture from the shooting bench is a reverse funneled roof that only allows a sight picture of the proposed impact mound. Draw it up, show it to the trustees, etc. As you can see my suggested construction is more controlling how the shot is started, and the impact will follow thereafter. Again just a few suggestions to use as you see fit, IMHO IANAL IANALT (Local Trustee hehe).
 
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Then there's the added problem of advertisement...when shooting, well, those people have guns. If you can figure out that there are no unsavory characters in your area:cool: say, hearing distance a mile or so...blast away. But remember, you are advertising ''I have valuable firearms'', which falls into the top tier of things wanted to be stolen, electronics, cash, etc.
Best , if possible, go to a designated area i.e. shootn' range. Suffer with the rest of us:)
 
I feel that ricochets are the primary concern for experienced shooters. While not impossible, I doubt I'll launch one over the berm anytime soon. Most handgun and rimfire rounds will skip off flat ground and fly to god knows where. Some leave at a shallow angle at high velocity and some bounce at 35+ degrees at presumably lower velocity. If you've ever shot .22s in a snowy beanfield you'll see that you might as well be skipping rocks. It's important to have a backstop high enough to contain such shots or ideally shoot directly into a berm or hillside.

I don't shoot enough centerfire rifle to build an appropriate berm at the farm but logs stacked 8' deep work well enough for handguns and .22s. We have several old hog sheds behind that to monitor anything that makes it through the wood. As of now they still lack holes from pass thrus.

If you are on a small plot of land or in a more densely populated area be very cautious. Otherwise let discretion rule the day. Bullets can travel miles but can't if you don't let them.



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philip sounds like he has the EPA attitude. Make the regulation impossible for what a common person can comply with so no one can do it legally.

Phil may also be one of those folks that has been shooting out his back door for years, and has been shut down recently by new neighbors complaining to the local authorities....thus the attempt to convince the "Barney Fife's", as he calls them, that he is shooting safely.

Times have changed. Just because there is 200 acres of woods behind your target don't make it a safe place to shoot. Used to be outside hunting season the woods was empty. Nowadays, between the bowhunters, bird watchers, shed hunters, mushroom and ginseng hunters, folks photographing Spring Flowers, riding ATVs or just plain hiking, there's always a chance somebody might be in those woods, especially on public land. One reason so many places that once were open to target shooting on public land is now closed. Private land, altho it has less access is now being chopped up into 10-20 acre "homesteads" for folks to have their own piece of the country. Back when there was one farmhouse in the valley, odds of it getting struck by a stray bullet were slim, especially if folks were careful not to shoot in that direction. Odds were also, that that landowner was a shooter also. Not so much anymore. Now, one can't look in any direction in those same valleys without seeing a A-Frame log home with a horse barn next to it. Hard to shoot safely in any direction without a proper backstop. Those folks in the Log Home have a right to be concerned over their safety and the safety of their horses when they hear volleys of gunfire coming from next door.
 
Phil may also be one of those folks that has been shooting out his back door for years, and has been shut down recently by new neighbors complaining to the local authorities....thus the attempt to convince the "Barney Fife's", as he calls them, that he is shooting safely.


glad everyone has me figured out.

Guess my having a safe 30' steep hill to shoot into, then 80 more acres of MY property before an errant bullet can get to a neighbors property makes me a bad guy.

Ditto my 15 other neighbors who also shoot same as me - about 3000 rounds a year.

You are obviously right: we are wrong to be upset with the new city slickers moving in on their 1-2 acre lots around us and actually shooting in 10" stumps and 2 foot tall piles of tree trimmings.

Ditto, we are wrong to be upset with our barney fife local cops who think this is safe. We all are obviously bad people who hate guns.

Sorry to have bothered to try to help explain what a safe shooting range is folks.
 
philip your not wrong but not everyonwe can afford 80 acres with a hill. And may feel that we or they can also shoot safely with out a 20 ft pile of dirt. You seem to feel pretty strongly to the point of wanting to be the authority of backyard shooting.
 
Many good thoughts presented. Just to clarify, this would be for private use only, and no property is currently owned for this. I was looking for some guidance, and many different points were presented, including potential neighbor concerns/objections. If the land contours were similar to what Hicock 45 has available, many concerns regarding the backstop and what is beyond would be moot. A berm carved out of a flat landscape requires much more work from a safety perspective.

One range I trained at was located amongst rolling farmland with a raised berm on three sides. Well laid out and very functional. Just looking for thoughts to consider.

I had NOT considered "advertising" to bad folks about having weapons. Not certain I agree with the concern, but worthy of some consideration.

Thanks for the input!
 
While at McClellan Air Force Base...

The Security Police gun range at McClellan AFB was short, maybe 50 yards max to the berm. The tall berm had wings at 45 degree angles, from above it looked like a stretched out horseshoe. The line of fire was pretty much parallel to the runway and aircraft parking area several hundred yards away.

Anyway, we had to do FOD walks on the aprons/tarmacs/runways every now and then. FOD is Foreign Object and Debris, really bad stuff for airplanes especially high powered jets whose intakes were under wing. Well guess what we regularly found? Yup, thats right.... bullets, 5.56 and 9 mm mostly. Guess from ricochets angling up, over and to the right dropping onto the aircraft ground traffic surfaces. Dont know how far exactly it was from the range berm, but is seemed like a long walk. Imagine in your head 50 Air Force Security Police walking in a line arms length with their heads down looking for garbage on the runway. That was me!
 
So I guess from this thread....

One is to assume your shots will be noisy so be aware of neighbors.
Also your shots might stray or ricochet off angle, up, left, right, etc so be aware of neighbors.

Since I cant afford the proper insurance, 80 acres, and a bulldozer, I go here for $125 a year I shoot all I want. . . http://www.chattanoogarifleclub.org/

But thats just me.
 
Phil may also be one of those folks that has been shooting out his back door for years, and has been shut down recently by new neighbors complaining to the local authorities....thus the attempt to convince the "Barney Fife's", as he calls them, that he is shooting safely.


glad everyone has me figured out.

Guess my having a safe 30' steep hill to shoot into, then 80 more acres of MY property before an errant bullet can get to a neighbors property makes me a bad guy.

Ditto my 15 other neighbors who also shoot same as me - about 3000 rounds a year.

You are obviously right: we are wrong to be upset with the new city slickers moving in on their 1-2 acre lots around us and actually shooting in 10" stumps and 2 foot tall piles of tree trimmings.

Ditto, we are wrong to be upset with our barney fife local cops who think this is safe. We all are obviously bad people who hate guns.

Sorry to have bothered to try to help explain what a safe shooting range is folks.

Again.....you need to chill a tad Phil. I was actually trying to support you. Thing is, along with your suggestions, you are being highly critical of everyone else's here. Then when you get critiqued, you get highly upset. Don't dish it out unless you can take it. Second, while trying to set us straight, you contradict yourself. For example, when one poster says this....
Just find ground that has a slope to it, give it a facelift so you have a large square target stop with plenty of hillside behind it in a direction that bullets aren't flying towards anybody's house or barn.
Your retort is this....

This is probably ok - as long that 'behind it' is 5,000-6,000 feet of YOUR property.

But in your next post you claim...

Guess my having a safe 30' steep hill to shoot into, then 80 more acres of MY property before an errant bullet can get to a neighbors property makes me a bad guy.

Even if that 80 is two forties(which is likely the case), you have only half the depth you recommend to everyone else. Add to that your attitude not only towards others here that are only attempting to give safe and accurate info, you seem to have an attitude towards folks other than you and your friends that shoot and your local authorities and want to refer to them in condescending terms. As resposible gun owners, we all are on the same side. No need to alienate.
 
The problem with asking for advice about a gun range on a public forum, is that anyone and everybody with an axe to grind feels obligated to give their (expert) opinion.

Stick around, and pretty soon someone will start talking about magic bullets that bounce off of rubber tires and how the steel belts in tires will cause ricochets, or how lead will aggregate in sand and cause ricochets.:rolleyes:

The NRA guidelines are more for professional/public gun ranges, not private ones.

The only gun range I have ever seen with a twenty foot high backstop, was a police range, which was built with tax payer dollars. It was built to NRA Guidelines. The private range I have shot at doesn't have a twenty foot backstop, I would estimate it as 12-15 foot high.

I am fortunate to have plenty of land to shoot on, and don't have a formal shooting range or backstop. I can use the hill or pond dam as such when needed.

The best advice is to use common sense. How close are your neighbors? What type of land surrounds yours, and what are the natural features (if any)that may be incorporated into a backstop?

Look around and talk to other people you know who have a private gun range, or have shot at one. Go online to YouTube, and look at what some of the posters there use.

Dirt piled up in a mound is probably the best backstop, but sand works as well, and using a combination of dirt against a wooden wall would cut down on the amount of dirt needed to be piled up.
Tires stacked staggered two deep, and filled with dirt or sand also will work, but require a lot of work.

Use your imagination, but avoid hard surfaces such as concrete or rock unless
covered by a layer of dirt.

Also avoid steel targets unless you have plenty of room to build enclosing wings and baffles. Steel targets will ricochet!
 
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