Plated Bullets-Do not exceed mid-range loads

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Question, what if you are not putting enough crimp as apposed to to much.
When the slide slams home, head spaces off of the case, bullet slides out of the case in to leads of the barrel, pull the trigger, boom, the bullet acts like a plug because it is.

just new to this thread. would this be a concern when loading plated bullets?
I have reloaded for years, just never loaded many plated bullets.

Just wondering?
 
Question, what if you are not putting enough crimp as apposed to to much.
When the slide slams home, head spaces off of the case, bullet slides out of the case in to leads of the barrel, pull the trigger, boom, the bullet acts like a plug because it is.
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There SHOULD be enough tension on the bullet with no crimp, with semi-autos bullet set back is of more concern than bullet jump.
 
OK. Like I said, just wondering. I have been looking a buying some plated bullets.
I guess I'll just go for it.
 
When the slide slams home, head spaces off of the case, bullet slides out of the case in to leads of the barrel, pull the trigger, boom, the bullet acts like a plug because it is.
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This should not be happening, but it is not dangerous. The bullet can not get out of the case before it is stopped. It is not a "plug" at this point. No worries. :)

What is dangerous is when lack of neck tension allows a bullet to be pushed way back into the case. :eek:

There SHOULD be enough tension on the bullet with no crimp, with semi-autos bullet set back is of more concern than bullet jump.
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I just read jibjab's post. He beat me to it. :)
 
Sorry if this is too much off topic but I loaded some .330 diameter plated bullets into my 8X56R Steyer carbine. I loaded 40 grains of TAC under said 100 grain Lebel revolver bullet for a velocity of 1800 to 2000 fps estimated velocity. I did not chronograph them.

Accuracy was poor and all ten that I fired key holed.

I reduced the load to 20 grains of 4198 and accuracy improved to 4 inches at 100 yards. I still have not chronograhped the load yet.
 
I'm like Walkalong and loaded a lot of plated bullets just not over many years. Plated bullets are all I used for the first year and a half of reloading. I use mostly 9mm and have pushed them to max with Titegroup and had no problems. Make sure to use a light crimp with plated bullets because it's only thin copper plating and not a jacket. The only reason I shoot jacketed now is because I can buy them cheaper than plated. I am starting to cast for more calibers and hope to not be buying any bullets in the near future, except for my 223.
Rusty
 
My taper crimped Berry's 230 grain RN 45 ACP plated bullets function and feed fine. Loaded to midrange lead specs. 5.3 gr. Win 231. When taper crimped correctly, I cannot force the bullet into the case.
 
Hodgdon has nuetered W-231 data. Winchester data in general it seems. Pushing their powders perhaps? :scrutiny:

5.5 Grains W-231 and any lead, plated, or jacketed bullet has been a staple for years. Accurate, not hot, with medium recoil. :)
 
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"230 gr bullet, Win 231 @ 5.3gr , 45 acp,"
On the Hodgdon website this is a Maximum Load for both lead and jacketed bullets.
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That's Hodgdon's wimp loads. Or AKA "lawyer loads".

Hornady says 5.8 win 231 with their 230 g. LEAD loads, Lyman says 6.2 for their 225 cast lead boolit.

I've routinely loaded 5.5 231 behind 230 jacketed or my home cast lead RN. No problemo in my 1911 or others I have shot them in.

As for the plated issue, I've used nothing other than plated in thousands of S&W 40 loads. I used a 100 trial pack of ranier once, they worked well, but the rest were the west coast,(now extreme bullets), in the 165 RFN. I use a lee CFCD to put a mild taper crimp on them. The fit between the bullet and case neck wouldn't even NEED the crimp, I'm just erasing the belling + a bit more.
 
I've been yanking Berry's 158gr RNs in .357 up to 1100fps for USPSA major for several years with perfect success.
That said, those Winchester 158 JHPs do seem a good click more accurate.
I use Unique for these.
 
I once had problems with plated bullets in a .445 SuperMag revolver. I found a stack of "rings" of plating piled up in the forcing cone. I surmised that they just couldn't take the pressure and swelled up a bit leaving the cylinder, and then got swaged back down by the forcing cone, shedding the plating. Fortunately they sounded funny and I found the problem before firing too many.
 
Apparently I didn't keep my data after getting rid of those bullets, but I'd guess they were pushing 1500 fps. I know I did 1650 with 240 gr. JHPs with no problems.
 
Plated bullets are strange creatures. They will operate at high velocities under the proper circumstances, however. I regularly shoot Rainier bullets out of my 357 SIG at 1400 FPS, and .50 Beowulf at 1940 FPS.

Conventional auto cartridges also work fairly well, but I have never had any success in revolvers above standard velocities. Crimps and forcing cones are hard on plated bullets.

They do work well at .38 and .44 Spl velocities, but then, so do lead bullets.

It is a shame that the Rainier hollow points don't seem to expand at any reasonable velocity.
 
"I won't get into the Lee FCD debate here, but you need more neck tension. No amount of crimp can make up for poor neck tension. Overcrimping can ruin neck tension, as can post sizing."

I'm just now getting back into reloading. Twenty years ago I was loading home cast 230 gr RN lead in .45 ACP, and noticed that the cases had the bullets jammed back into the case by the feed ramp. Until recently I'd never heard that it was dangerous but at the time I just didn't like it. So I bought a C&H tool and die roll cannelluring tool that I used to put a cannellure in my cases just below where the bullet base stopped. Looking back it was probably not the correct answer but it never happened again. And I haven't seen any of those cannelluring tools around anywhere anymore anyway. So far I'm loading FMJ 230 gr RN, but may buy some cheap hard cast 230 gr lead bullets in case the wrong idiot makes it into the White house and they ban ammo contrary to the Bill Of Rights.
 
I've been loading Ranier bullets in 40 S&W with no problems for 2 years now, I use the starting load for jacketed bullets, works great for me.
 
Do NOT use plated bullets with 460 Rowland! Not that anyone else has one besides myself. :)

They will start to disintegrate before they leave the barrel! You get nice shards of blowback coming out of the comp and accuracy sucks.

45 acp plated bullets at 44 magnum pressures and velocity simply do not go hand in hand. 1500fps was never intended for plated!
 
I shoot many calibers of Berry's plated bullets. Have always used mid range loads and have never had a problem.

Hack
 
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