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franke1951

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We finally have a shooting club where I live and I want to start competing.

Which brand of copper plated bullets do you think can be driven at higher velocities without detrimental effects to accuracy and bore fouling: Berry's Preferred Plated or Rainer Leadsafe?

Also, hard moly coated bullets from Precision Bullets and Blk. Bullets International? Who likes which one best.

I read that the black bullets can withstand 2000 fps. However, out of my 2 - 10mm’s, I have only loaded 6.2 gr. of Unique with the 180 gr.TC, Blk. Bullets International with decent accuracy ( 8 of 10 shots within 2 1/4” at 25 yds. with the Glock 20, my best) and about 3” to 3 1/2” groups out of my AMT Longslide 10mm at 25 yds from sand bags.

I just want to make minimum major power with a little extra for existing weather conditions on match days.

5.4 gr of WW 231 in each 10mm yields fair groups, 10 shots at 3” to 4” at 25 yds. They are probably only running 800 – 850 fps. Does that sound about right for both powder charges? Would this make major power?

I am wondering how fast can each brand of the 180 and 200 gr copper plated bullets be driven out of a SA Range Officer, Colt Series 70 Gold Cup NM, AMT-Longslide 10mm, and Glock 20 and still make major power with good accuracy.

Is there someone who can shed some light on these types of bullets and the 2 powders that I am now using? Should I try AutoComp and Power Pistol?

On another subject, I have had 3 lbs of WW 680 for about 25 to 30 years and it is still like new. Does anyone know if I could gain any velocity out of my 8 and 3/8” barreled 629 Classic DX. I am using WW 296 and H 110 now. With a 4X Leupold and solid rest the revolver will shoot 4” at 100 yds.

If the WW 680 is too slow for my 240gr JHP, 44 mag, I guess I'll have to start saving (like 5 years) for a new 460XVR.
Thanks,
Frank
 
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This is from Rainier Ballistics FAQ page:
Q3. Do your bullets have ANY velocity restrictions?

A. In general, our bullets typically perform their best when shot at velocities no greater than 1,200 to 1,250 Feet per second (FPS).



This is from Berry's MFG FAQ page for their regular plated bullets:
FAQ: How fast can I shoot these bullets?

Velocities depend on the caliber, but as a rule of thumb, we recommend you don't shoot our plated bullets over 1250 feet-per-second. Our 44's actually shoot best around 1150 fps. 45's are generally good at 850-900 fps. Our bullets are not recommended for magnum velocities over 1250fps.

Berry's MFG also sells hollow base thick plated (HB-TP) bullets rated to 1450 fps with 165gr HBFP-TP for 10mm:
These bullets are a thick plate and the hollow base adds length to the bullet profile giving more bearing surface. Added bearing surface helps with accuracy in pistol barrels. Thicker plating lets you push these bullets to 1450fps in open guns or in 10mm

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For what it is worth, I shoot the 155 and 170 Gr precision black bullets from my XD40. They are some of the most accurate i have loaded.


155 Gr 5.2 Gr W231 AVG 993

170 gr 4.5 Gr W231 AVG 880

JIM
 
What power factor are you trying to meet that would need a 180 grain bullet to go anywhere near 1200 fps?

For 165 PF (USPSA major) you would need to drive a 180 grain bullet 920fps and a 200 grain bullet 825fps. At those velocities essentially all plated bullets will work. If you are just shooting at local club matches there is virtually no chance they will be checking power factor with a chrono and they would not turn you away if they did and your ammo didn't make major, you would just be scored minor. Most of us without access to a chronograph just make a good faith effort to be at or a little over power factor by estimating velocity.
 
I'll confirm Rainier's velocity claim. I've had their .356" 130 RN up to 1,250 fps in the .38 Super.
 
Thanks everyone for your responses, great spreadsheet too.

I didn’t want to drive the plated and black bullets to maximum velocities. I just wanted an accurate load that would make the major power factor. I don't know much about IDPA,USPSA, or IPSC events yet, but I wanted to be sure that I was loading enough powder for when I do decide to join the club and compete in matches.

I, also, was a little concerned with KB’s in the Glock 20, although, I saw somewhere that they happened mostly with the 40 S&W barrels.

While I was using cast lead bullets in the G20, I would pull the barrel and clean it thoroughly, at the state park range after about 20 shots. The black bullets seem to leave no crud in the bore and I haven’t shot enough of the Rainer plated HPs to see if there is copper buildup. The G20 shoots dead on at 25 yards with anything that I feed it and it’s not worth it to me to change to a fully supported chamber, aftermarket barrel with cut rifling. It is a great gun and I really love it because it’s superbly accurate, simple to strip, and I have 15+1 of full power 10mm JHPs when things go bump in the night and there are no plans on using it in matches. I have 4 1911s for that.

NWcityguy2, I got a good laugh with your post: “What power factor are you trying to meet that would need a 180 grain bullet to go anywhere near 1200 fps?" If I get back into deer hunting, I think a 180gr black bullet travelling along at 1250-1350 fps would be adequate.

It's an honor to be able to communicate with fellow shooters and I enjoy a good laugh or two with the sarcasm of some of the members.

Later, I will be posting something about trying to get those 1 inch groups that RRA advertises for my Predator Pursuit. Also my Stag 7L 6.8 SPC II Hunter.

Right now, I’m getting 2.5” with 62 gr pulled bullets and 2” with Winchester 55 grainers using BLC (2), 10X, IMR 3031, H322. Haven’t loaded many rounds yet. Just getting started. Don’t have any 748 or H335 yet.

If anyone is in Florence AL on the 26, 27, or 28th this month, come and see me at the FOM Legacy Series National Championship at Macfarland Park. I am the senior writer and photographer. www.fomntt.com

Thanks a lot,
Frank
 
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I'm going to go in a slightly different direction than you asked about. I have found Hornady FMJ bullets cost no more than Rainer or Berry's plated bullets. Hornady bullets are well known for their accuracy and consistency too so you gain, not compromise. At the most I've seen the Hornady bullets @ only $1/100 over the plated bullets and I feel the Hornady FMJ bullets are much better.

Just something else to consider...
Good luck on the shoot...
 
I have had good luck with Midway's Dogtown bullets (I think Midsouth's brand are the same too). The 55 gr HP is often on sale for less than the FMJs and the enclosed flat base is good for accuracy. Works great for paper or small game.
 
Montana Gold bullets, when purchased in bulk quantities, or even Precision Delta, are competitive with the plated bullets but are all FMJ.

Extreme plated bullets have been known to withstand some higher velocities than regular plated (comparable to the Berry's thick plated).

I agree with ArchAngelCD: Hornady, especially the HAP are very accurate. As are the MG.
 
Agree with the previous poster...Montana Gold and Precision Delta are very comparable in price to the plated bullets, but they are true, legitimate jacketed and the bullet won't be your limitation on how fast you can drive it (aka power factor). Plus, having used both companies for several years, the customer service is great and the bullets are very, very high quality.
 
There was just a thread about RMR plated bullets, a business run by a member on here (longdayjake). I asked about velocity. I'm starting to load .357 SIG and for full loads, I'm in the vicinity of 1350 fps. Berry's or Rainier won't do that. As a minimum, I want at least 1300 fps. He said that he doesn't carry anything that won't go 1300, so it's safe to assume they have thicker plating.

Another brand that has thick plating and can be pushed at jacketed speeds are X-Treme plated bullets.

I would avoid moly bullets. I have heard they make a royal mess inside the bore.
 
I have had good luck with Midway's Dogtown bullets (I think Midsouth's brand are the same too). The 55 gr HP is often on sale for less than the FMJs and the enclosed flat base is good for accuracy. Works great for paper or small game.
The OP is looking for handgun bullets, 10mm from what I see. Although you are right, in .223 Dogtown 55gr bullets are a good choice.
 
+1 on both RMR and X-Treme

Have used both companies several times and have no complaint about either. I prefer RMR as Jakes usually a little cheaper and faster shipping, but I have no issues giving X-Treme a call when I'm in a crunch or Jake is out of stock at the time.
 
I used Rainier, Berry's and XTreme, before I discovered that I could get genuine jacketed bullets from Precision Delta cheaper than any of the plated bullets. Load jacketed bullets just as fast as you wish!
 
► Any Berry Mfg bullet labeled "TP" will have thicker plating than normal. Look for the label TP in the on-line Berry catalog listings. This may not appear in their re-sellers catalogs.

► Berry Mfg is slated to release a new hollow point bullet this summer with much thicker plating for use in self defense. This will be a direct competitor for Speer's Gold Dot, which is itself a plated bullet. The thicker plating should do away with speed limits. Click Here
 
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If you want igh velocities than go for jacketed bullets. The Montana Gold bullets, when purchsed by the case, are very copetitive with the plated bullets.
 
. I prefer RMR as Jakes usually a little cheaper

Does he have better deals if you call him? Reason I ask it seems he is quite a bit more than XTreme, and even Berry's. I know his are FMJ, but I keep hearing others say he is cheaper on his FMJ than XTreme and Berry's. I would like to know how to get these prices.
 
RMR's inventory changes from time to time (especially on pulled bullets) and also offers THR discount promotions from time to time. When that happens, I usually stock up and "good deal" bullets sell out quite fast (that's why you don't see the nicely priced pulled pistol bullets on his website now ;))

Send an email to be added to the mailing list and you'll get an email notification.

longdayjake also sells bullets on Buy-Sell-Trade section - http://www.thehighroad.org/search.php?searchid=10381990

You can PM him to ask your questions whether he offers volume discounts.
 
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. I prefer RMR as Jakes usually a little cheaper
Does he have better deals if you call him? Reason I ask it seems he is quite a bit more than XTreme, and even Berry's. I know his are FMJ, but I keep hearing others say he is cheaper on his FMJ than XTreme and Berry's. I would like to know how to get these prices.

I honestly couldn't tell you. I know as of right now till 20July he is giving %10 off with discount code freedom. Been meaning to send him a message or call to see if he dose military discount or any other discounts but I'm usually to lazy and just order anyways, lol.

As far as prices last batch of 1k I ordered from X-treme was $130 something shipped for flat nose 180 grains in .40. RMR's are $115 shipped for flat nose 180's. Also not a big fan of having to call X-Treme just to order
 
I honestly couldn't tell you. I know as of right now till 20July he is giving %10 off with discount code freedom. Been meaning to send him a message or call to see if he dose military discount or any other discounts but I'm usually to lazy and just order anyways, lol.

As far as prices last batch of 1k I ordered from X-treme was $130 something shipped for flat nose 180 grains in .40. RMR's are $115 shipped for flat nose 180's. Also not a big fan of having to call X-Treme just to order

Yea it's kind of a pain to call sometimes. I use to order all of my XTreme bullets from TJConevera because he was less in the long run. TJ charged $110 shipped for 180gr .400 bullets, and XTreme charged $101 plus $14-15 shipping. I just received a shippment of 230gr RN .452 bullets last Thursday for $116.00 shipped from XTreme. I know we are only talking $5-10 difference most of the time between plated, and FMJ, but that $5-10 adds up over the course of a year. I have already loaded 10,000 40s&w rnds, 4,000 plated 45acp rnds, 7,500 lead 45acp rnds, and 4,000 38spl rnds this year.
 
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