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Following is an email I just sent to Fox News Sunday to complain about Juan Williams. Please take 20 seconds and copy and paste the same with your own name, or make some changes/additions if you like and send it to Fox News via email. Let's blast this idgit hoplophobe into oblivion!

Here is their email address:

[email protected] <[email protected]>

Complaint about Juan Williams's lack of knowledge and professionalism on firearms and race issues



Dear Fox News Sunday, and Juan Williams:

A couple of months ago, during a discussion on your show about a gun & gun rights issue, Juan. Williams went on a nearly-inexplicable anti-gun, anti-freedom rant which consisted of the typical ill-informed liberal nonsensical statements about guns, their place in society as useful self-defense tools, and gun rights. The kicker was that he actually ended his nonsensical rant with this statement:

"I DON'T LIKE GUNS."

Go review the tape - he actually said something THAT stupid! A "journalist" who has made his way to a popular Sunday morning news show said something *that* asinine. Unbelievable and sad, but true.

So Juan does not "like" guns. OK. But that statement shows clearly that his whole anti-freedom rant and belief system was based upon a wholly irrelevant fact; that being his personal like or dislike of guns. I suppose that Juan would have all police and military disarmed too, since he does not "like guns". That would maybe make him feel better. My advice to him would have been "Well, then don't carry one, Juan, if you don't like them.", but I doubt that would be good enough for him; evidently he won't be happy until there are no guns in the hands of the police, the military, or citizens, since he doesn't "like them". Presumably this means they are good for *nothing* and serve no purpose whatsoever in society, at least in his mind.

Actually, the statement makes clear that he is the typical leftist hoplophobe "blissninny" type who engages in "projection" (the projection that most hoplophobes engage in is a illogical reasoning that goes something like this: "I, Juan Williams, certainly don't trust MYSELF with a gun, because I'm unpredictably violent and might shoot someone inappropriately, and therefore, all of YOU other people must be like me, and must not be trusted with guns."), and is blatently unfamiliar with the topic he discusses. He chimes in on gun issues as if he were quite the expert, but it's clear from his nonsensical statements that he doesn't know the real differences in various firearms and their functionality - is this willful ignorance of the topic on his part? Because it would be a very simple matter for a journalist of his stature to engage in some simple self-education with the help of a staffer, or god forbid, even have someone take him to the gun range and shoot a few guns, to investigate what he is talking about as if he were an expert.

Furthermore, this is a man who has written extensively about black American history and the struggles of black Americans to obtain their civil rights, which presumably would INCLUDE gun rights, since it is the most fundamental civil right of them all in the USA, along with freedoms of speech and association. There's a reason why the 2nd amendment is the SECOND one, right after the FIRST amendment. Does Juan not understand the extensive and well-documented the rascist roots of the so-called 'gun control' movement in the United States? Or does he just sweep this under the rug when discussing gun issues? 'Gun control' as concept began in the 20th century solely as a method (initially) to deprive black Americans of their fundamental civil rights to own and use firearms in self-defense. It seems that too many blacks were getting guns to defend themselves from lynch mobs and other violence intended to be meted out by the KKK and thier ilk, and too many white men were getting shot and killed by these uppity blacks. The whites "couldn't have that", of course, and so 'gun control' laws came into being. The need for good honest upright black citizens in inner cities to arm themselves to defend themselves against a different kind of thug (gang-bangers) is now, more than ever, a dire need of the black communities - but not only does Juan ignore this fact, he actually is a proponent for laws that disarm (ONLY) the good upright citizens (i.e. 'gun control' laws), while doing absolutely nothing about the problem of violent criminals, who ignore the gun laws already on the books. This makes the good people in the inner cities "sitting ducks" for the criminal acts of the gang-banging thugs.

Frankly, it's the height of ignorance and hypocrisy for Juan to portray himself as an expert on black America, while turning a blind eye to the well-documented anti-black rascism of 'gun control' laws, and actually support laws which would seek to disarm those most in need of protecting themselves from violent criminals - people of all colors, including many blacks, in urban areas infested with gangs and violence.

That one statement ("I don't like guns") succintly summarizes and makes crystal clear that Juan is a sorry excuse for a "journalist", and should be relegated to the ranks of the local TV news in Podunk, USA. Sad because he otherwise is an intelligent cogent voice of reason for presenting the "left-ish side" of issues. Please get rid of ridiculous amateur!

Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter

Sincerely,
 
Oh yeah, for your reading pleasure, here's a recent piece by Mr. Williams:

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/04/08/williams_juan_guns_binghamton/

Couple o' gems from Juan:

Just so you know where I am coming from, I’d ban guns — big and little — for private use in the USA. I live in a big city, Washington, D.C., and I grew up in Brooklyn, New York. The bad guys with guns are running wild in big cities. As in most of urban America the people with the guns are young drug dealers fighting over turf and willing to kill anyone from children to little old ladies who happen to get in their way. Black on black homicide, largely among these young men, has been hitting record highs for most of the past decade. These people have no conscience and they scare me.

I think it is okay for people to have guns for use in sport shooting or in the military and police departments. But guns should be kept on military bases or at places where target shooting is practiced.

As for the argument that the Founding Fathers did not want our government to be the only people with guns — what a joke.

Does anyone think they have more guns, biological weapons and even nukes than the federal government and the arsenal of the U.S. military? If it is just a matter of firepower there is no army of civilians — even one with Clint Eastwood, Jack Bauer and the Rock leading the charge — that is going to defeat an American government captured by fascists

And here's a nice response to Juan's inanity:

http://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/juan-williams-constitutionally-illiterate/
 
Does anyone think they have more guns, biological weapons and even nukes than the federal government and the arsenal of the U.S. military? If it is just a matter of firepower there is no army of civilians — even one with Clint Eastwood, Jack Bauer and the Rock leading the charge — that is going to defeat an American government captured by fascists

Wow, Now that right there is a real gem. Not only does he know jack about guns, but it seems he hasn't opened a history book either, or much less read anything about any resistance movement.
 
Email sent. I hate it when people on the news think that as soon as the camera gets in their face, they get to tell the world whatever they think. When I turn on the news, I don't want to hear people's opinions, I want to hear the news. That's why it's called "The News" and not "Random Guy's Opinion."
 
Does anyone think they have more guns, biological weapons and even nukes than the federal government and the arsenal of the U.S. military? If it is just a matter of firepower there is no army of civilians — even one with Clint Eastwood, Jack Bauer and the Rock leading the charge — that is going to defeat an American government

And Juan, right, which is why we won in Afghanistan against the meagerly-armed Taliban within a few weeks of our actions over there, and all the troops are home now.
 
He is an editorialist and not a journalist. He is providing commentary, and is not "the news" despite the fact that he is on a news channel. He is supposed to give his opinion, and Fox does not want everyone to have the same opinion. If everyone agrees, there is nothing for them to discuss, and they have to fill 24 hours a day. I think you need to chill, it is just entertainment.
 
Another response would be to just stop watching their channel, that's what I did years ago.
 
or, just nicely write in asking to hear from someone on the other side of the fence....... they might actually buy into that one, if they think it will get viewers....

Business is business... you kicking up the dust is exactly what they want....
 
Well Juan Williams may want to seek employment at CNN (Communist Network News) or better yet move to a country that he can believe in their freedom without guns. To all the Juan William's in America, If you don't like America the way it was built and the principals it was founded on, stop complaining and GET OUT .

If you want to change America and the principals that have worked for over 234 years GET OUT. If you have sworn to uphold the Constitution of this country and somehow don't like something that has worked for us for over 234 years, resign your office and GET OUT.

I love America for the freedom's and principals it was founded on, for the Constitution my Grandfather, my Father, and I fought for.

Do you think America has been the most advanced society by accident? It's not one part of our Constitution that made our Country great, it's the whole of our Constitution that made America great. Take away one part of it, just one part of it and you cripple the greatest country mankind has ever witnessed.

Yes, America may not be perfect but it is still the GREATEST NATION ON PLANET EARTH where man can be FREE. Limit or CHANGE our freedoms in America and the change you can believe in will be SLAVERY.

So, Juan Williams and everyone like you...... UP YOURS!
 
Fox news is OK, yes they have Juan, but they also have on several times
Ted Nugent.....THEY NEED TO PUT JUAN AN TED ON AT THE SAME TIME,
HEAD TO HEAD.....wish they would replace Juan with that guy, think his name
is B.J. Armstrong....but they need Juan to try an be balanced...at least they got
rid of Holmes, an just made it "Hannity."
 
He is an editorialist and not a journalist. He is providing commentary, and is not "the news" despite the fact that he is on a news channel. He is supposed to give his opinion, and Fox does not want everyone to have the same opinion. If everyone agrees, there is nothing for them to discuss, and they have to fill 24 hours a day. I think you need to chill, it is just entertainment.

There's a big difference between someone providing an alternative an informed opinion, and a raging lunatic who basis his policy beliefs on an irrational fear of weapons, and says "I don't like guns!". He is a blithering idiot, and if Fox wants to have a token leftist to present that side, at least get someone who's not an irrational hoplophobe with no common sense or understanding on the history surrounding this very important issue. Mara Liason would be a good example of a GOOD leftist journalist. Juan has all the maturity and acumen of 3rd grader, albeit a top-notch 3rd grader.
 
While I do not agree with Mr Williams, I want him making those comments. I want there to be an opposite side to the right to keep and bear arms. If we don't have opposition, then we become totalitarian in nature. I want healthy debate. I want the anti's to make clear reasoned arguments. Ok, maybe that's a stretch if they can make a reasoned argument, but that's what I want. If we stifle Mr Williams right to his opinion, how are we better than those looking to curtail our civil right to keep and bear arms? Give me one good example where curtailing someone's opinion led to greater understanding of the question. I dare you to.
 
Does anyone think they have more guns, biological weapons and even nukes than the federal government and the arsenal of the U.S. military? If it is just a matter of firepower there is no army of civilians — even one with Clint Eastwood, Jack Bauer and the Rock leading the charge — that is going to defeat an American government


why does everybody think that our volunteer military will nuke and kill there own people and possibly friends and family. do they not realize that the U.S. military is made up of VOLUNTEERS who are mostly pro gun. i could just never understand that type of argument:confused:.
 
While I do not agree with Mr Williams, I want him making those comments. I want there to be an opposite side to the right to keep and bear arms. If we don't have opposition, then we become totalitarian in nature. I want healthy debate. I want the anti's to make clear reasoned arguments.

What? A totalitarian state of law abiding gun-owning citizens?

They don't make reasoned arguments, and they're creating a totalitarian state by REMOVING guns.
If we stifle Mr Williams right to his opinion...

I can agree with what you're saying here. I believe in everybody's right to be totally and utterly wrong in what they say and believe.
 
What? A totalitarian state of law abiding gun-owning citizens?

Bingo, you got it. Imagine if we forced, FORCED, people to own a weapon. I sure wouldn't want to live in that society. I want the choice whether or not to keep and bear arms. Everyone in this country has a right to free speech, correct? You wake up every day and choose whether or not to exercise it, am I correct? We are granted the freedom of religion. Not everyone is Catholic, or Protestant, or Jewish or Budhist, or Muslim or a myriad of other religions. But again, I want that choice for everyone to make. It's pursuing liberty, and it's painful, but it beats the alternative.

They don't make reasoned arguments, and they're creating a totalitarian state by REMOVING guns.

You missed quoting me the rest of the way. I even acknowledged that asking for that is a bit of a stretch. I would truly like to hear the gun control argue with straight facts and logic. There are a lot of 2nd amendment advocates out there, and reading about them thrashing the likes of Sarah Brady and Josh Sugarmann sometimes gets boring.

Whether or not they like my philosophy, I'll stand up for their individual right to disagree with me on whatever issue. If it came down to it, and common sense and reasoned discourse had failed, I'd take up arms to defend that right.
 
Hmmmmmm......"force everyone to own a gun..." Don't they do this in Switzerland?
Someone told me this, don't know if its true....co-worker an I were talking...what if every adult in N.Y. City had to carry a gun.....what would happen...?...are you going to rob a bank knowing 23 people inside had a gun?....would the bad guys move out an go to other cities.....? The Goverment is always doing something stupid, why not pick a city, an force all to take training an carry a gun or move out....then study the crime for one year an see what happens......I'd rather my tax money going for that, I might even move there!!!!
 
The Goverment is always doing something stupid, why not pick a city, an force all to take training an carry a gun or move out....then study the crime for one year an see what happens......I'd rather my tax money going for that, I might even move there!!!!

Ok, but what about the little old lady who after X weeks of training has no business carrying a gun? She is probably more of a danger to herself first, and her fellow law-abiding citizens than she is to any criminal. Yet, she must carry a gun because she was 'forced' to.

And to point out another example, you're 'forced' to wear a seat belt while in your car? Did you wear one prior to your local legislature making it a law? I did by choice, not because some politician in Topeka KS at the time passed a law.

We need balance in this world, extremes at either end will drag us to a bad end. That's why I want Juan Williams to have a platform, because I want one also.
 
I remember him from his NPR days. Far, far lefty. But at least he's up front about his bias. Most of these guys, from the lamented Walter on down, just pretend to be unbiased.

I remember he lambasted "Black Hawk Down" for being racist by showing the mob of Somalis dragging off the bodies of US servicemen. Even though that part of the movie was drawn directly from what actually happened. Indeed Scott failed to show much of the brutality.
 
One last thing and I think I'll be done with this point. Without a public forum for the opposition, how do we know what specific arguments to counter?
 
Black on black homicide, largely among these young men, has been hitting record highs for most of the past decade. These people have no conscience and they scare me.

Umm . . .
Who is he talking about when he says "These people"?
Young men, Thugs that shoot people, or black people?
The way its written it can be taken as he doesn't trust black people and think they have no conscience. He needs a better editor, or that might have been intentional, who knows.
 
"He is an editorialist and not a journalist. He is providing commentary, and is not "the news" despite the fact that he is on a news channel. He is supposed to give his opinion, and Fox does not want everyone to have the same opinion. If everyone agrees, there is nothing for them to discuss, and they have to fill 24 hours a day. I think you need to chill, it is just entertainment."

Not to mention, that the channel has fulfilled their deal with sponsors. You not only watched but spread the word about how engrossed you were in this presenter. Wait, I think I hear him getting another raise for increasing viewership, and, remember, controversy is the straw that stirs the drink when it comes to opinion shows... ;)
 
Juan works for NPR, what do you expect. He's on Fox as "the other side". So he doesn't like guns, I don't care. As a matter of fact, I wish more people didn't like guns, and put a sign in their window stating so. That way the criminals would go there first.
Juan, like all the naive left think if you ban guns, guns will simply go away. Then why don't we ban crime?
 
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