Please help me diagnose my crappy Glock 23 shooting

[Bill4282]

I agree. Use a ransom rest and verify the accuracy of the sights and gun. Once that is proved or disproved, then it's down to the shooter. Eliminate one issue at a time; you'll get to resolution

 

[contactcole]

The Glock 19/23 has been, and remains, a gun I struggle to shoot well. >20k through G19/23s and still not on par with Glock 17, Glock 30, Sigs and 1911s. It's the ergos. I love the idea of the G19, but I've just about given up on it.

 

[Handgunr]

I agree with you guys ^^^^^^^

If a Ransom Rest, or something of the sort is available, eliminate the gun and ammo as being the culprit first off......if at all possible.

The problem we had, with a dozen or so senior instructors, who were match shooters, reloaders, etc., was that not a one of us had one. I thought of buying one at one point, but it was cost prohibitive for me for the number of guns I had.
So, if we had a student who was suffering from this issue, we'd pass the gun through the instructors on the range and see if it was the gun or the student. Obviously, 99.9% of the time, the student was the source. I guess once the student was totally convinced he or she was at fault, then they seemed more receptive to correcting it.

Btw contactcol, I have similar problems with the Glocks. Since most police agencies carry them nowadays, most of my work involved them. Also, since I taught and use "point & shoot" or instinctive shooting often, my problem with the Glock was my natural grip and the angle of the gun. When I hold the Glock naturally, or without concentrating on the gun or the sights, the gun's grip angle (for me) causes the gun to angle up in my hand. If I focus on the sights......no problem, and I can stitch em' right in there. Since instinctive shooting is exactly that.......a natural pull, point and shoot, the gun has to be ergonomically sound with the shooter..........most are, the Glock ?.....not for me.

 

[Plan2Live]

Perfection comes in many flavors. Try another gun.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

ClickClick,

I'd respectfully agree to disagree on this one.....

Hey, not a thing at all. That's why we get the instructor pow wow going when a student has a problem that doesn't seem to be getting better. Every instructor teaches from their experience and sometimes resolves issues in different ways.

The only real way to know is to get 1KPerDay on the range and see what his hands and the muzzle are doing.

 

[1KPerDay]

Shot it again and hit about 40 out of 45 plates. I consciously tried to relax and gripped much lighter than usual. And didn't try to control recoil. Sill had like 3 misses in a row where it felt like I was doing everything the same as when I was hitting.

 

[contactcole]

Shot it again and hit about 40 out of 45 plates. I consciously tried to relax and gripped much lighter than usual. And didn't try to control recoil. Sill had like 3 misses in a row where it felt like I was doing everything the same as when I was hitting.

I know your struggle. I tried grip change, trigger pull, tighter grip, looser grip, "surprise break"... pretty much it all. The G19/23 never became a gun that fit me even after more than 20,000 rounds through that specific platform. I'd struggle with that gun, then grab my Glock 26/17/30, CZ, 1911, XD, Sig, Beretta, pretty much anything else, and no issues at all. (To be fair, I also struggled with the HK USP compacts in 9/40 and 45.)

Last week, after 10+ years of trying, I finally gave up. The Glock 19/23 is an amazing package I just don't shoot well. And, life's too short to mess around with it any more, especially given all the excellent options today.

 

[Onmilo]

Shot it again and hit about 40 out of 45 plates. I consciously tried to relax and gripped much lighter than usual. And didn't try to control recoil. Sill had like 3 misses in a row where it felt like I was doing everything the same as when I was hitting.

Here's my suggestion.
Dump the .40 soiled and warped for a Model 19 9mm.
I never had much luck in the accuracy department with any .40 handgun.
9mm & .45s shoot to much more uniform accuracy standards.

 

[LiveLife]

The OP is not having an issue with 40S&W as OP shoots Glock 22 just fine and also shot the G23 in question quite well. Problem is now the OP is having accuracy or flyer issues with the same pistol

Here's OP shooting the G23 - I would say pretty good accuracy.

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Glock 23 ... bought, back in 1994ish ... I have always shot it well. I feel like I can't miss.

storm lake barrel and my 140 gr MBC reloads ... lately I've noticed I seem to be very inconsistent with it.

If the same lead reloads shot well before, I would check the barrel for leading build up and really clean the bore with Choreboy/copper scrubber wrapped bore brush as leading build up may decrease your accuracy.

After cleaning the barrel and accuracy returns, then you have your answer. If you still experience accuracy issues after cleaning the barrel, then it's something else.

 

[1KPerDay]

Thanks, I'll try that. Bore APPEARS to be relatively clean but I guess a good scrubbing will tell the tale.

 

[1KPerDay]

Here's my suggestion.
Dump the .40 soiled and warped for a Model 19 9mm.
I never had much luck in the accuracy department with any .40 handgun.
9mm & .45s shoot to much more uniform accuracy standards.

I actually shoot the .40 Glock 23 better than the G19 overall. But that's another issue, probably my problem finding sights that hit to POA on the G19.

but your claim that .40 is inherently inaccurate compared to ALL 9mm or ALL .45 ACP is just plain silly. I would suggest that perhaps you haven't given a good .40 handgun a fair chance based on your obvious bias.

 

[contactcole]

I actually shoot the .40 Glock 23 better than the G19 overall. But that's another issue, probably my problem finding sights that hit to POA on the G19.

OP: When you grab the G19/23 from a holster, or after speed reload or any time your hand is subject to shifting on the grip, and point it at the target do the sights align naturally with the target? What I found is the G19/23 was the most inconsistent handgun in this respect for me. It's the ergos. That front sight could end up (a bit off) all over. Slow fire, not so much. But, anything "tactical" and just plain inconsistent.

 

[1KPerDay]

well, they point high for me (being a 1911 guy) but left or right the seem to line up okay. After I shoot them for a while I can bring up the sights right in line.