Please hit this poll - Florida
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rfwobbly
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Yes, stand your ground.... and feel free to take cover behind the nearest lawyer.
sig228
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Poll hit and commentary added:
"Fred Grimm makes me want to puke. His liberal bias toward the second amendment is one of the top reasons that I canceled my print subscription. Bad guys will always be bad guys. They don't deserve any protection under the law. But to support the taking away of EVERYONE'S rights because of a few bad apples defies common sense. Obviously the poll numbers reflect my thoughts too. "Like the Wild West" Those were the words that the liberal media tried to use to prevent concealed carry from becoming a reality almost 25 years ago. We have almost 2,000,000 (two million!)concealed carry permits issued in Florida. I'm still waiting for the Wild West. Truth is, it isn't coming."
"Fred Grimm makes me want to puke. His liberal bias toward the second amendment is one of the top reasons that I canceled my print subscription. Bad guys will always be bad guys. They don't deserve any protection under the law. But to support the taking away of EVERYONE'S rights because of a few bad apples defies common sense. Obviously the poll numbers reflect my thoughts too. "Like the Wild West" Those were the words that the liberal media tried to use to prevent concealed carry from becoming a reality almost 25 years ago. We have almost 2,000,000 (two million!)concealed carry permits issued in Florida. I'm still waiting for the Wild West. Truth is, it isn't coming."
sig228
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"JimmyK's comment is abusive and has been removed."
Did I expect any different response? Not really.
:banghead:
Did I expect any different response? Not really.
:banghead:
KBintheSLC
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Wow... they removed your comment for that? Typical liberals, burying any voice that disagrees with their agenda.
Deltaboy1984
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Vote NO I love to see Stand your ground in All 50 states.
CHEVELLE427
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i posted this on other gun forms i visit and the site still works there
Bad Hammer
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I just added a NO vote as well.
Tally so far:
Yes 113 18%
No 525 82%
Total Votes: 638
I hope they get the point.
Tally so far:
Yes 113 18%
No 525 82%
Total Votes: 638
I hope they get the point.
CoastieShep
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Another no vote. Some of these people just irritate me so much.
Sorry sig228 the real numbers as of 6-30-10 is this:
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/licensetypecount.html
Total licenses by type 907,834
Concealed Weapons/Firearms ( that means ordinary people ) 732,263
Perhaps what you meant was that since 1987 there have been a total of around 2,000,000 licenses issued but that is not how many licenses are currently valid. None the less, 732,263 licenses held by ordinary people is quite a lot.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/licensetypecount.html
Total licenses by type 907,834
Concealed Weapons/Firearms ( that means ordinary people ) 732,263
Perhaps what you meant was that since 1987 there have been a total of around 2,000,000 licenses issued but that is not how many licenses are currently valid. None the less, 732,263 licenses held by ordinary people is quite a lot.
FLAvalanche
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Where do you think they originally came from?
Like everyone here, I'm a keeper and bearer of arms and will fight like hell to retain that status. Apparently, not like at least some people here, I have no use for the so-called "conservative/liberal" dichotomy, and while I expect to get a lot of heat on this - I'm sick and tired it.
"Liberal" was - WAS - expected to mean enlightened, striving for betterment, in favor of individual rights. That's how self-identified "liberals" wish to be seen. Conservative was - WAS - expected to mean maintaining existing views, marked by moderation or caution. It is or should be clear to all but the most obtuse that these badges of identification have been perverted in the extreme.
It IS NOT LIBERAL to oppose the right to self defense - it's just stupid or somehow fashionable in some naive circles. It IS NOT CONSERVATIVE to seek overthrow of the established government by force of arms - it's RADICAL, and hardly a constructive approach in these times. The demonization of "one side" by "the other side" would be comical if it weren't so destructive - as if there really are two and only two ways to see anything.
It is useless to tag the newspaper writer as "liberal". It is useful to ask him pointed questions, it is useful to articulate what Anglo/American law has long recognized - that the right to self defense AND the right lawfully to be in a particular place are, and by all reason ought to be, inviolable.
I'm hoping against hope - and I'd love to find reason to be more optimistic - that the name calling will be left on the elementary school playground, and that reasonable, humane, fair and intelligent questions and statements will prevail in discourse of this basic, core issue of human rights.
"Liberal" was - WAS - expected to mean enlightened, striving for betterment, in favor of individual rights. That's how self-identified "liberals" wish to be seen. Conservative was - WAS - expected to mean maintaining existing views, marked by moderation or caution. It is or should be clear to all but the most obtuse that these badges of identification have been perverted in the extreme.
It IS NOT LIBERAL to oppose the right to self defense - it's just stupid or somehow fashionable in some naive circles. It IS NOT CONSERVATIVE to seek overthrow of the established government by force of arms - it's RADICAL, and hardly a constructive approach in these times. The demonization of "one side" by "the other side" would be comical if it weren't so destructive - as if there really are two and only two ways to see anything.
It is useless to tag the newspaper writer as "liberal". It is useful to ask him pointed questions, it is useful to articulate what Anglo/American law has long recognized - that the right to self defense AND the right lawfully to be in a particular place are, and by all reason ought to be, inviolable.
I'm hoping against hope - and I'd love to find reason to be more optimistic - that the name calling will be left on the elementary school playground, and that reasonable, humane, fair and intelligent questions and statements will prevail in discourse of this basic, core issue of human rights.
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It's 87% no currently. Pour it on.
This logic in the story amazes me.
This logic in the story amazes me.
Yeah, and then what? Wait for them to put the yellow tape around your body?
Can't legally carry bullets or guns into Mexico. Law abiding citizens are disarmed. Bad guys break in, last word I got from locals, you better just leave cause if you shoot to protect yourself you will not like a Mexican jail.
Military captured a drug person last month that had over one million dollars worth of some serious weapons.
Used to have many friends who went Dove hunting in Mexico. I tried to call and find out how they brought their guns or did they rent; think they all playing golf? Anyway, the population, except for some upper echelon who live there with money are unarmed. The "Gulf" mafia are the Robin Hoods who only smuggle drugs and kill Zetas. Zetas are the ones who shake everyone down. Drive a bus and give me X-number Pesos a week.... If you are in real estate and sell a house give me half of what you made(kinds nice of them)....Think there were over 25,000 Mexicans killed in the last couple of years..look at the Brits who made almost everyone disarm 20 odd years ago: now Bobbies have to go about armed because of so many Bad guys with guns. Gulf Mafia now runs Matamoras came in about 3 months ago and killed Zetas' chief local bad guy to include wife and kids (was told I was not there). Zetas who were able to leave Matamoras went to several different places however several went to Houston.
Boarder patrol is great for capturing peons and crop pickers. But the big guys move freely until some government starts pointing fingers at them. Governments are like a pack of dogs; one barks and they all come after you. Matamoras is OK now I go there all the time but I think half the town is Kin to my wife....Stop the press!! Friend just called said they always rented their shot guns but stopped going due to guys showing up in the middle of the night and demanding large American dollars or their gringo lives. Lets all give up our guns so we can be like Mexico or half a dozen other places. Guess we would all have to get in shape so we could run or hand to hand it...Yea I know get the tin foil out!
Military captured a drug person last month that had over one million dollars worth of some serious weapons.
Used to have many friends who went Dove hunting in Mexico. I tried to call and find out how they brought their guns or did they rent; think they all playing golf? Anyway, the population, except for some upper echelon who live there with money are unarmed. The "Gulf" mafia are the Robin Hoods who only smuggle drugs and kill Zetas. Zetas are the ones who shake everyone down. Drive a bus and give me X-number Pesos a week.... If you are in real estate and sell a house give me half of what you made(kinds nice of them)....Think there were over 25,000 Mexicans killed in the last couple of years..look at the Brits who made almost everyone disarm 20 odd years ago: now Bobbies have to go about armed because of so many Bad guys with guns. Gulf Mafia now runs Matamoras came in about 3 months ago and killed Zetas' chief local bad guy to include wife and kids (was told I was not there). Zetas who were able to leave Matamoras went to several different places however several went to Houston.
Boarder patrol is great for capturing peons and crop pickers. But the big guys move freely until some government starts pointing fingers at them. Governments are like a pack of dogs; one barks and they all come after you. Matamoras is OK now I go there all the time but I think half the town is Kin to my wife....Stop the press!! Friend just called said they always rented their shot guns but stopped going due to guys showing up in the middle of the night and demanding large American dollars or their gringo lives. Lets all give up our guns so we can be like Mexico or half a dozen other places. Guess we would all have to get in shape so we could run or hand to hand it...Yea I know get the tin foil out!
Badlander
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So two rival gangs meet and shoot each other. What exactly is the problem?
I voted no!
I voted no!
sig228
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That's EXACTLY what I meant. Trust me, I went to the same site that you did for a fact check before I posted. I actually thought the # was 4 million. (I can only wish).
moonman16
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I voted. At the time 85% said NO CHANGE.
ccjcc81
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+1. Irresponsible handling simply to promote his agenda or views. Just my opinion. We haven't had a problem with our rendition of the law here in Houston. There was an incident involving a burglary that was controversial, but I think it will discourage burglaries all over Texas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy
Typical of the media and government to absolve our rights based one type of incident instead individually rectifying the problem. "If anyone around here uses their car as a weapon, cars will be banned!"
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ccjcc81
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Very well said. I'm glad you left that commentary. I'd let you speak on my behalf anyday.
Poll hit and commentary added:
"Fred Grimm makes me want to puke. His liberal bias toward the second amendment is one of the top reasons that I canceled my print subscription. Bad guys will always be bad guys. They don't deserve any protection under the law. But to support the taking away of EVERYONE'S rights because of a few bad apples defies common sense. Obviously the poll numbers reflect my thoughts too. "Like the Wild West" Those were the words that the liberal media tried to use to prevent concealed carry from becoming a reality almost 25 years ago. We have almost 2,000,000 (two million!)concealed carry permits issued in Florida. I'm still waiting for the Wild West. Truth is, it isn't coming."
ccjcc81
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DOH!
sig228
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Thank you!
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