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Cougfan2
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His comment makes a lot of sense.
I guess I do not get it, what is the subject of this thread? I read some of the posts, are you agreeing with him or disagreeing?
Also it would help others if you posted the article or a portion of it so someone who is not interested would not have to look it up to find that out.
Also it would help others if you posted the article or a portion of it so someone who is not interested would not have to look it up to find that out.
Justin
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Please note that THR doesn't condone inter-forum flame wars. I do not believe that is the intention of this post, however being unsure as to what the issue is that needs to be addressed at all, I think we'd all appreciate it if the OP would care to clarify what issues presented in the other discussion he wishes us to comment on.
MT GUNNY
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I would have to agree with his Post, Make sense! + He adequately Proved it.
earlthegoat2
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OK, thank you for bringing that to my attention. Now on to other things......
I agree with it and try to tell the same to the customers in my store to which they do not believe me. Sigh....
I agree with it and try to tell the same to the customers in my store to which they do not believe me. Sigh....
Virginian
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Perception is reality.
Fred Fuller
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Straining at gnats, and swallowing camels...
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franconialocal
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He certainly has the crediblility with his background.
Claude Clay
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shotgun was what he tested and a 1-to-1 relationship to pistols is not carried over.
Black Dime
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I am an advocate of decreasing felt recoil by lengthened forcing cones. I posted the thread here to get more coverage and different opinions. I did not want to post my position.
It just occurred to me. I am Red Cent AND Black Dime.
I suppose I have been duped
by those who use snakeoil in their ads. No really. It seems impossible to not read where a shotgun manufacturer has included lengthened forcing cones in their shotgun.
Does Briley spread snakeoil. Oh the pain.
I had problems with "trig" in my senior year in high school. Nothing that complicated in college.
"I'm INNOCENT".
It just occurred to me. I am Red Cent AND Black Dime.
I suppose I have been duped
by those who use snakeoil in their ads. No really. It seems impossible to not read where a shotgun manufacturer has included lengthened forcing cones in their shotgun.Does Briley spread snakeoil. Oh the pain.
I had problems with "trig" in my senior year in high school. Nothing that complicated in college.
"I'm INNOCENT".
North of 49th
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I would have to agree with the OP's link. I doubt powder burn rate affects recoil in a noticeable way. certainly it is outweighed by gun weight, etc.
Dave McCracken
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I seriously doubt any human can tell the difference of events occurring in milliseconds.
A longer, lower pressure spike does seem to feel less hard, but individual inconsistencies in mounting from one to another will cancel that out.
If you want less kick, use a heavier gun or a lighter load and a premium pad.
A longer, lower pressure spike does seem to feel less hard, but individual inconsistencies in mounting from one to another will cancel that out.
If you want less kick, use a heavier gun or a lighter load and a premium pad.
Black Dime
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Guys, the specific point of the post was about forcing cones. I believe that a lengthened forcing cone will reduce recoil. How much, who knows.
It seems to me that in a short forcing cone (more acute angle), the hesitation of the wad and shot as it is abruptly forced into the barrel causes a spike in pressure, hence recoil. Alleviating the angle on the forcing cone to one that is three inches long and much slighter angle would stretch the recoil impulse over a longer period (as opposed to the spike),hence softer recoil.
It seems to me that in a short forcing cone (more acute angle), the hesitation of the wad and shot as it is abruptly forced into the barrel causes a spike in pressure, hence recoil. Alleviating the angle on the forcing cone to one that is three inches long and much slighter angle would stretch the recoil impulse over a longer period (as opposed to the spike),hence softer recoil.
Being of shorter stature and having to use guns (870 .45 colt semi) not made for my build or hands I agree greatly with the fact that recoil is more perceived than many other factors. I also have experienced first hand that making a gun fit to my own personal needs has can change perceived recoil drastically. While this is not science it is just common sense, respectfully.
Dave McCracken
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BD, a longer forcing cone will shorten the pressure spike. That will reduce the push by spreading it out a bit longer.
The problem is we do not perceive events occurring that fast well.
I like long cones. More of my barrels have them than not. But they do not magically make hard shooting shotguns into creampuffs.
They do mimic a tighter choke, close to an increment with large shot like 00.
An 870 barrel here that I had done was patterned with its best 00 load before and after a long cone. The later patterns were about 4" less at 25 yards.
The problem is we do not perceive events occurring that fast well.
I like long cones. More of my barrels have them than not. But they do not magically make hard shooting shotguns into creampuffs.
They do mimic a tighter choke, close to an increment with large shot like 00.
An 870 barrel here that I had done was patterned with its best 00 load before and after a long cone. The later patterns were about 4" less at 25 yards.
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