PM9 at Local Shop

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I've been wanting a pocket carry 9mm for awhile now. I think I've settled on a Kahr CM9 or PM9 for size, weight, etc.

I found a used PM9 at a local shop yesterday. $525 was the price tag on it. Seems like a good deal to me given the current state. What do you all think, should I grab it?
 
The CM9/PM9 is a fantastic little pistol design. I have a CM9 that has been 100% reliable, and is a surprisingly soft shooter for such a small and lightweight 9mm pistol. $525 sounds like a good price for a PM9. I paid $327 for my CM9 when new (it was on sale), and I personally feel the CM9 gives up nothing to the PM9 in terms of quality and shootability. It does come with one less magazine, though.
 
I think the PM9 / CM9 is a great pistol. It is, IMO, the least finicky pistol of all the pocket nines.

There is no restriction on firing +P ammo out of them (a steady diet of it would probably be bad though).

I think they're great.
 
An excellent choice for a CCW. One of the best. I like mine and find it reliable, light enough to carry , well made, and enough gun. Buy it.
 
Buy it, I carry one, usually $600-650 without NS, and $700 with, that's used. Add $100 for new. I was at Lawman's shooters supply in Vero, "the old Knights", yesterday, and could not believe the prices on handguns. The Kahr MSRP is over $900,00 on the pm9, with the new manual safety, $1000.00, very over priced. You can get the same gun in the C series for $400-450.00.
 
The cm9 sells for $375 in most responsible gun shops new. I own 3 kahrs a cm9 and cw9 amounst them but find paying the extra bucks for the up graded series hard for me to do. I did buy a new larger TP series but that was 560 new and was hard to let go of the extra money.

External safety on a kahr . Not for me period.
 
The PM9 and CM9 are basically the same pistol, but there are a number of differences and your just not paying extra for nothing for the PM9.

Up to each individual to make that call - PM9 vs CM9

PM9 = Polygonal rifling
CM9 = Conventional rifling

PM9 = Machined slide release
CM9 = Injection molded slide release

PM9 = Dovetail front sight
CM9 = Pinned front sight

PM9 = All black option
CM9 = No all black option (factory)

PM9 = Night sights option
CM9 = No night sights option (factory)

PM9 = 2 magazines
CM9 = 1 magazine

PM9 = "Fancy engraving"
CM9 = "Cheap engraving"

I have a PM9 and IMO it is the best in it's class, but would be just fine with the CM9 if I did not want to spend the extra dollars for the PM.
 
Great guns, as long as you are aware of the issues they have been known to have, and make sure yours does not have those issues.
 
The PM9 and CM9 are basically the same pistol, but there are a number of differences and your just not paying extra for nothing for the PM9.

Up to each individual to make that call - PM9 vs CM9

PM9 = Polygonal rifling
CM9 = Conventional rifling

PM9 = Machined slide release
CM9 = Injection molded slide release

PM9 = Dovetail front sight
CM9 = Pinned front sight

PM9 = All black option
CM9 = No all black option (factory)

PM9 = Night sights option
CM9 = No night sights option (factory)

PM9 = 2 magazines
CM9 = 1 magazine

PM9 = "Fancy engraving"
CM9 = "Cheap engraving"

I have a PM9 and IMO it is the best in it's class.

Exactly...the CM9 was not yet available when I bought my all black PM9 w/night sights. If it had been...I would have still gone with the PM9.
 
Great guns, as long as you are aware of the issues they have been known to have, and make sure yours does not have those issues.

Please explain.

The 9mm Kahrs are the best of the bunch, and are not affected with any of the rare issues that have been known to affect some of the .40 or .45 models. Buy with confidence.
 
I really like the PM9/CM9. I was unable to find one locally at a reasonable price and ended up buying a shield, which I also like. If I would have found a CM9 for $450 or less I probably would have bought it. A PM9 for $525 is a great deal.
 
Please explain.

The 9mm Kahrs are the best of the bunch, and are not affected with any of the rare issues that have been known to affect some of the .40 or .45 models. Buy with confidence.

Honestly, I would argue about those issues being "rare", as BOTH my CW40, and my PM40 suffered from the same issue of unwanted magazine drops EVERY shot, and you'll find a huge number of horror stories on the web for those models as compared with their competitors,...but anyways...

"best in the bunch, and are not affected...."

I disagree based on my experiences with Kahr polymer pistols. I have had various problems with every single one of mine including my PM9 that have caused me to dismiss them from my CCW options for reliability issues. Most of my problems with the PM9 have had to do with feeding issues and an overly tight chamber, but I can also list the slide stop spring as a design SNAFU that, if you research online, causes many people grief....not the least of which is Kahr, because of the returned guns and requested spring replacements.
I believe my PM9 has the same polymer magazine release that caused constant malfunctions with my PM40, a feature that Kahr redesigned with a metal replacement in later guns because of the overwhelming number of failures experienced.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Kahr+pm9+problems

Like I said, many people think they are great pistols, and many people live trouble free with them, but many people also have problems with them, and don't think much of the design and inherent flaws/weaknesses that were designed into it. I myself am firmly in the latter circle,and am the owner of a PM9, a PM40, and a CW40. I loved them, until I didn't.
I do know they have had several design changes that have directly addressed issues that Kahr has had with their polymer pistols.
 
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Most all issues with kahrs are ammo and owner related. The main problems that do show up is the feed ramp breaking the follower and that's an easy fix if your ever does it. Most will run fine with it broke. The few other problems are no different than most any small heavy recoiling pistol and kahr can and will make it right if the owner can think threw the problem to explain it to a CS guy. I get tickeled when some guy buys one finds a possible issue before hand and still gets all whinny about it when he should have read about this or that possible problem. I have 3 of the kahr poly models and have many thousands of rounds fired threw them with no problems. Zero.

My first kahr came from a very seasoned older shooter that could not get threw a single mag with out some failure to chamber or cycle. Just wanted to sell it now. I gave him 250bucks for his troubled kahr cw9. With a good cleaning, good lube job and a different ammo its now at 1650 rounds trouble free. So is the cm9 and the tp40 round count is climbing slowly.

Buy one or don't . Just no need to be a whiner. I have never owned a firearm worth whining over. Had to have a couple firearms go back for some tlc ,one brand new ,one very well used. No whining needed with ether.
 
For every man who likes a thing, there is another who doesn't, you are best off deciding for yourself. There are many guns I don't care for but the PM9 is my carry. I have carried many in my 43 years of carrying, this is what I currently carry now, it's been reliable to a fault, and small enough to pocket carry, along with light enough to take anyware I go.
When I was a young man I carried a Walther, "that was as small as you could get in the 70's with decent power. Now it's unlimited, just pick one you can shoot and go from there.
You can always sell it and get something else. No one can tell you if you are going to love it or hate it until you buy it, the price is right, ask if you can fire it, they might allow it if you show them the cash. It can't hurt if it's a used gun.
 
I love my PM9 in an OWB/IWB carry, but after years of "wanting" it to be a pocket pistol (which it definitely can be), I seem to find myself with a LCP in my back pocket a lot more than the Kahr in my front pocket. And mine has been 100% reliable.

YMMV
 
My 18 year old Kahr K9 has never failed and my 5 year old PM9 has also never failed.

So from my personal experience the 9mm Kahrs are just fine pistols.
 
It sure seems that a lot of THR members carry a Kahr 9mm. Just from the amount of threads I have seen regarding various questions about the guns in general, they are extremely popular.
That said it's an individual thing that one person may like and another may hate. I never cared for the lower design of the gun, "visually", but it works, "which is the most important thing". I have had many beautiful guns that just were awful when it came to function.
If the Glock came in a thinner profile model 26, with a more "revolver type" trigger, M&P type safety, Kahr just put one on the frame, "which I don't think it really requires, but that is the new market calling, "you may get it either way", it would be the perfect gun for me.
Why they never made a single stack gun is still a mystery to me. It would surely be on top of many peoples list.
Here is a discussion about this very thing.
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum...glock-ever-make-single-stack-9mm-7-print.html
 
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