Pocket Pistol for Concealed Carry

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Thanks, and what about IWB?

Great information guys!!! Thanks. I am a big boy and have held off to long on going to the pants size that i really need to wear. I currently wear a 42 waist pants and it is barely comfortable. I just bought my first pair of 44 pants and i am way more comfortable with pants and pockets will work much better with pocket pistols.

What are peoples opinion about IWB pistols. As I stated earlier I have a S&W M&P 9 i am thinking that may be too big for this purpose. What are good holster companies and pistol suggestions for IWB?

Thanks again, great information!!
 
Rohrbaugh R9s

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Rohrbaugh R9s. 6+1 rounds of 147gr Speer Gold Dots at the constant ready. Nothing to remember (no external safety), nothing much to fail (no internal locks), nothing to snag (well smoothed).

No +P ammo, but I always have it in my pocket so I'm willing to make that sacrifice.

I've tried many of the pocket pistols out there and this is my favorite. Second runner-up for pocket carry would be a S&W 642 (pre-lock). I'm a real revolver guy, but the size of the R9s combined with the capacity and 9mm capacity made me a convert.

Expensive, but worth it, IMHO.

For an overall size comparison, check out Bobo's pocket auto comparison chart, GREAT information Bobo's charts
 
Bcremer,
I've done some investigation into pocket pistols myself, and I've come to a couple conclusions about them. They probably couldn't physically stop someone intent on doing you harm, but they may darn well be a psychological deterrent. No one in his right mind would be willing to be shot with even a .22. But if the attacker was not in his right mind, all bets would be off. You'd probably have to stick the thing right up to his nogin to put him down quickly, and good luck doing that. Still, a mouse gun sure beats nothing.

A couple other things to consider: There's a .380 version of the tiny Seecamp now. But the Seecamps have no sights, so they're probably only good for very close encounters. And the little Ruger LCPs have very low sights. I assume Ruger (and Seecamp) made them that way so they wouldn't snag on your clothing, but again, very close encounters only. The Rohrbaugh just above looks like an awfully neat package, but I know nothing about them.
 
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Personally, I prefer what I used going back some decades.

J frame S&W
042 , 422 , 37, are three.

Beretta
Minx, (.22 short)
Jetfire ( 25ACP)
Bobcat (.22 lr)

NAA Mini.
1 1/8" barrel .22 lr


Then again some members that have met me, never knew I had a Colt Detective Special, Kel-Tec P-11, or Colt Combat Commander on person, and I was not using a holster either.

6', 170 pounds, wearing jeans, tennis shoes , long sleeve oxford shirt with button down collars - tucked in.
 
I pocket carry a Glock 26 in a DeSantis Nemesis holster everyday. I never, and I mean NEVER carry anything else in that pocket. Just the Glock. It has become totally second nature. I never even think about it.

Is it bigger than some of the others? Yes it is. A carry piece should be comforting, not necessarily comfortable.
 
Lightingjoe:

Early models came with a recommended recoil spring change frequency that was overly conservative (200 rounds?, I can't remember exactly...) There was an endurance test run on the Rohrbaugh website that went up to 500 rounds with no discernible change to the spring.

Since this gun is designed as a carry piece, it takes me a long time to get anywhere near 500 rounds. I just change the main spring out once a year as a precaution. The springs are $5 and are easy to change.

'alp
 
Just purchased a LDA Para Carry 45. Plan to put some rounds through it this weekend, will let you know.
 
Every time the subject of pocket carry comes up I am amazed by the size of the pistols that some claim to be able to stuff in there and still be "concealed".

My 642 looks like I have an orange in my pocket when wearing shorts, with jeans it just looks ridiculous.

I started out with a P32 which I liked very much (other than the rimlock issue), moved on to a P-3AT generation 1 which jammed constantly even after a trip to Kel-Tec, and then on to a generation 2 which also jammed constantly. So no more Kel-Tecs for me.

Finally I picked up an early model LCP which has just returned from the factory with its upgrades. It has been 100% reliable and I carry it every day in an Uncle Mikes #1 pocket holster with hot loaded, flat nose FMJ.

For me it's perfect.
 
I am thinking that the LCP's that have been reworked from the factory have been pretty reliable from what I have read. It seems like most people who are down on the LCP's have either had experiences with the defective models, or have only read or talked with people about these guns.

Anyone have bad experiences with the upgraded LCP's. If I am going to go with a true Pocket Pistol I guess I will look at the LCP, and if I go with an IWB I am thinking about maybe my S&W M&P 9.

Any other suggestions for a reliable, comfortable(if that is possible?) IWB gun?
 
"My 642 looks like I have an orange in my pocket when wearing shorts, with jeans it just looks ridiculous."

I don't doubt it, but in a pair of dress pants or loose-fitting dockers it is manageable for for me.
 
I see that the MSRP is around $1,050.

For that price, this had better be a darned nice reliable pistol!

As for a 642 looking like an "orange" in a front pocket, I don't suppose your 642 is on steroids, is it?

Mine looks like a bit of a bulge, and unless someone knows what they are looking at, they would have no idea!

I use a Mika pocket holster with tight jeans. I did change the OEM thicker Uncle Mikes rubber grip to S&W wooden grip panels which made a huge difference in how the gun looks and how it rides in my pocket. The rubber resulted in too much friction whereas the wood slides just like metal.
 
My Choices

In order of preference.

S&W M&P 340 (J Frame but lighter .357 if you are inclined). With CT 405 grips.

Seecamp .380

Kahr PM 9.
 
bcremer, do take a good look at the Walther PPK while you are looking around. A bit larger and heavier than the LCP, but very well made - by Smith & Wesson - and said to be a good, reliable .380.
 
I currently carry an

LCP in my left pants pocket everyday, regardless of whether or not I have my G23 on my right hip. I bought this pistol thinking it would become my daughters. I guess I will have to buy a second one. The Colt Mustang is also a good pocket pistol but with their current pricetag, I can buy two LCPs.
 
I chose the Keltec P-32. It is very pocketable and carriers 10+1 rounds. I believe it is more useful to have the extra rounds versus the minimal penalty in power.
 
There are lots of cool little guns that you can stuff into a pocket, but as "pocket guns" most have a serious drawback... in many cases, they're too slow to get to action and most of them can't be fired from inside your coat pocket. The small handgun that I consider a true and priceless "pocket gun" is one which can be held, ready to fire, inside your coat pocket, and can be operated from within the pocket without having to take even an extra second or two to pull it out!

This type of weapon gives a huge tactical advantage, tipping the scale back in your favor, should an evildoer try to get "the drop" on you.... a "pocket gun", by my own definition, is a gun you can carry in a coat pocket AND FIRE while the gun is IN the coat pocket. This rules out semi-autos, leaving small revolvers (J-frames or others) with internal or shrouded hammers. I have a Kahr PM9 which many would consider to be a pocket gun and it's an awesome little 9mm pistol, but I don't think of it as a "pocket gun" because I can't shoot it from inside a coat pocket - it's just a small, handy, lightweight little gun... not a pocket gun.

Consider the many situations where you may be (walking on a beach, trail off the beaten path, quiet, dark city streets). You see someone walking toward you, seemingly non threatening, but you don't know for sure. Situation doesn't look threatening enough to cause you to change course or direction, so you keep walking forward toward the oncoming person (or people).

As they come close enough to pass you, they stop for a moment and ask you a question, ask for directions, for the time, for a "light", for "help", or for whatever. They may appear relatively non-threatening and then, while they're right there in your "zone", just a foot or two from you, they suddenly produce a weapon or threaten you somehow. Your worst nightmare is beginning. At this point, unless you're exceptionally accomplished and skilled, it's not likely that you could draw and fire a holstered gun carried CCW quickly enough to save your life. And if there's a gun or knife already pointed at you, attempting to draw your own could easily get you shot or knifed before you can even pull your own. If your weapon is in a holster, around the back, under a shirt or coat, or in your pants pocket, the BG has "the drop" on you. He already has the advantage because he knows what he's about to do and you don't have a clue!

BUT, if you have a revolver with internal hammer (642, 640, etc.) in your coat pocket, you could hold it in your hand, pointed forward, ready to fire, long before the approaching stranger even gets close to you. Then, if the passerby should become a threat, you can fire INSTANTLY right through the coat pocket, if necessary. On the other hand, if no threat is presented to you, you haven't revealed your armed status and life goes on about it's regularly scheduled program.

For this reason, I consider my 642 and 640 two of my most important handguns... and I will carry one of these in a coat pocket whenever I think I may be in a situation which could benefit from it, even when I'm packing a G23, G30, or bobtailed Commander IWB at 4 o'clock, which I typically do anyway.

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SO, yes, I think the pocket gun (an internal hammer revolver) is very important and even though the capacity isn't so great and the reload speed is slow, and the caliber may not be ideal... the ability to be able to hold & fire instantly through the coat, without having to produce the weapon, is worth it's weight in GOLD.
 
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As has been pointed out upthread, there are only a handful of good choices for true pocket pistols, in part because the BATF regulations don't allow them to be imported so we're limited to what's made in the USA.

There's a pocket auto comparison chart with photos and specs that someone maintains here, which you might find useful.

I carry a P3AT and am happy with it. Yes, the .380 ballistics are a compromise. The way I see it that just means you may have to place multiple shots COM. The Seecamp and Rohrbaugh are better made and might be a better choice if you have the money. I have a Glock 27 (the one in .40 S&W) which I sometimes carry but it is too large to be sufficiently discreet for situations where people might make a scene. Better the P3AT than nothing.

I would like to try the Kahr pocket .40s. I have heard that some people can't shoot them reliably because of the recoil. If you're unaccustomed to shooting high-recoil pistols they might not be a good place to start.

Regarding your IWB question, I use the MTAC from Comp-tac with my Glock 27 and am pleased with it. Unlike pocket carry of something the size of an LCP or P3AT, some people will notice some of the time. Whether that's a problem depends on your situation. When I carry IWB I generally treat the holster as an OWB holster that is less prone to flashing, so I wear a cover garment (sweater or sportcoat) in addition to tucking my shirt around the holster.
 
I am thinking that the LCP's that have been reworked from the factory have been pretty reliable from what I have read. It seems like most people who are down on the LCP's have either had experiences with the defective models, or have only read or talked with people about these guns.

Anyone have bad experiences with the upgraded LCP's. If I am going to go with a true Pocket Pistol I guess I will look at the LCP, and if I go with an IWB I am thinking about maybe my S&W M&P 9.

Any other suggestions for a reliable, comfortable(if that is possible?) IWB gun?


Ruger had my LCP for two months, and I'm still having problems with it - failure to feeds, one failure to fire. The tech at Ruger has instructed me to file stuff down, so I'm still messing with it.

I've never had luck with tiny automatics. I can never trust them. My vote goes for a lightweight shrouded or enclosed hammer revolver.
 
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