POF large frame AR opinions?

[Gtscotty]

POF has kind of caught my attention with their recently announced very lightweight Rogue .308 AR.

https://pof-usa.com/firearms/rogue/

At 5.9 lbs it looks kind of interesting as a hunting .308, and at $1,800 MSRP (maybe ~$1,500 street price once things calm down) I don't think I could build an equivalent rifle for less.

I know the Rogue isn't out in the wild yet, but since it is a derivative of the Revolution DI, I'm curious to learn what folks think about POF large frame ARs in general.

A few specific things I've been wondering:

- Are POF large frame ARs generally well regarded reliability and accuracy wise?

- Does the E2 fluted chamber mouth design mangle brass or otherwise cause issues for reloaders?

- Are the barrel extensions and bolts compatible with other DPMS style barrels? The carrier looks a bit different, but I'm not sure about the bolt itself or extension.

- Will normal gas blocks/tubes work with the POF? I'd be using the rifle suppressed, so I'd guess some gas block tuning will be necessary.

 

[Gtscotty]

Doesn't seem like there's too much interest in the POF Revolution type rifles...

I sent POF some of my questions and they quickly sent thorough responses:

Thank you for contacting POF-USA!


- Does the Rogue come with an accuracy guarantee? The Rogue rifle comes with a 1 MOA guarantee just like our other rifles. However, in real life testing, we have seen much better groupings out of the rifles with quality ammunition and shooter.



- Does the E2 fluted chamber mouth design damage brass or otherwise cause issues for reloaders? The E2 will not damage brass. It’ll only leave a few vertical carbon imprints on the brass. So you shouldn’t have any issued in terms of reloading. However, we don’t recommend using reloads in our rifles as any damage, or malfunctions caused by using reloads are not covered under warranty! Just want to keep you in the loop!



- Are the barrel extensions and bolts compatible with those made for other large frame ARs, or are they proprietary? The carrier looks a bit different, but I'm not sure about the bolt itself or extension. I only ask because I've been through a bunch of .308s but now prefer the 6.5 Creedmoor and was wondering if a barrel change in the future would be practical. Our barrel extensions, and barrels themselves are proprietary to POF-USA! As of right now, no one makes aftermarket barrels that work with our systems. However, we do offer a Revolution in 6.5 Creedmoor so later on down the road when you want to switch calibers, we may be able to do a swap for you!



- Will the Rogue function correctly suppressed? Would normal adjustable gas blocks and tubes fit the Rogue, if I need an adjustable gas block for it to function with my suppressors? It will function correctly with the use of an adjustable gas block such as the Dictator. Our AR15 Dictator will fit the Rogue perfectly! That’s how Frank, the owner of POF-USA, runs his personal Rogue!



- I know COVID has thrown most companies off, but do you know when the Rogue might start shipping? Rogue rifles have already started shipping! You can find them online! I’ve had customers call and tell me that they’ve seen a few on Gunbroker and Central Florida Gun and Tactical!

I'm pretty satisfied with their responses, I think I'm going to order one tomorrow with plans to use it as a suppressed elk and deer hunting carbine this year. It sounds like I'll have to add an adjustable gas block to use my cans, I've been pretty happy with my Superlative Arms block on my Grendel, for $80 I'll probably just pick up another one after I verify function in the stock configuration. I'll also probably drop a LaRue MBT-2S into the rifle, it comes with a 4.5 lb POF modular trigger, but that's a bit heavier than I'd like for hunting.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Looks like a good leap in the right direction towards making AR10 type rifles more viable for hunting.

 

[Skylerbone]

If I could force myself to need a .308 or (a third) 6.5 Creedmoor I’d be all over a POF. Wouldn’t mind hearing about the stock trigger if you decide to try it for a bit and as always, congratulations on your new rifle!

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Well thanks for posting, you answered some questions I had about my P308 with regards to compatibility.


The trigger on mine iis so smooth, I couldnt imagine wanting a replacement, lol. This gun is a heavy SOB, though, hence the birth of the Revolution, I guess.

Sadly, most of our high-power ranges are closed locally, so I havent had a chance to shoot it with anything but snap caps yet......

My only issue with the Revolution is they look a bit, well, oddly proportioned,. but please let us know how you like it.

 

[Gtscotty]

Well I went ahead and pulled the proverbial trigger, was able to pick one up for ~$1,590 insured and shipped. I did get an email from the seller (Dahlonega Armory) saying that due to the Kung Flu, they are running about 15 days between order and shipment. That's about a week longer than their website said when I was ordering , but I suppose it is what it is. I definitely opted for the shipping insurance given the general state of things.

I also sent POF an email to ask if there was anyway I might be able to exchange my unused 4.5lb single stage trigger with the two stage version + whatever the cost difference is. I wouldn't really expect a yes, but there shouldn't really be a downside for them, and they seem pretty cool so I figured it was worth a try. My Velocity trigger in my favorite .223 runs about 3lb, and the LaRue MBT-2s in my Grendel runs about 3.5lb (2lb + 1.5lb), that's about what I want for this rifle, although I do think the 4.5lb POF 2 stage would be ok as well. At worst, the 4.5lb SS would just go into one of my other ARs in bad need of a trigger upgrade.

Looks like a good leap in the right direction towards making AR10 type rifles more viable for hunting.

The more I read about it, the more I was sure the Rogue was what I wanted. I had been saving this money for the new Sig Cross, but I can wait a year to see how it shakes out. In the mean time though, I like shooting and hunting with my short, light Grendel, so an even lighter .308 that's also nearly dimensionally identical is a very interesting option. The InRange channel on YouTube had a good review of and a couple videos on the POF DI Revolution on which this rifle is based. The host even went so far as to swap a .223 bolt into the Revolution BCG and ran the whole assembly in a regular Colt AR-15 to show that the POF really is an AR-15, strengthened and stretched just enough to feed and contain .308.

Well thanks for posting, you answered some questions I had about my P308 with regards to compatibility.
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The trigger on mine iis so smooth, I couldnt imagine wanting a replacement, lol. This gun is a heavy SOB, though, hence the birth of the Revolution, I guess.

Sadly, most of our high-power ranges are closed locally, so I havent had a chance to shoot it with anything but snap caps yet......

My only issue with the Revolution is they look a bit, well, oddly proportioned,. but please let us know how you like it.

Maybe I'll like the trigger, if so I'll just use it, but I generally like something in the 3lb range. At worst one of my other ARs gets a badly needed trigger upgrade! I do think I shoot 2 stage triggers a little better in ARs, but this is going to be a deer/elk carbine for 350 yds and in, so precision over and above what I'm capable of in field conditions probably isn't a huge deal. It's too bad you haven't been able to get that bad boy out to the range, but restrictions seem to be dialing down most places, so hopefully soon!

 

[Gtscotty]

One of the weird things about this rifle that I forgot to mention is that it has a 1:8 twist. Odd for a .308, but I saw a video with POFs owner where he said they had been seeing very good accuracy with this twist rate. I'm not sure what the driver for an 8 twist would be, even if it doesn't have any detremental effects, there is no shortage of accurate .308 barrels with a standard 10 twist. I have seen some folks state that monolithic bullets have better terminal ballistics when spun faster, maybe that's why they went with 1:8?

I do wonder if with an adjustable gas block and the fast twist, it might be possible to get a heavy bullet subsonic load to cycle the rifle. That would be a side show for me, but might be kind of neat.

 

[captain awesome]

Let us know how it shoots, also curious how it recoils.