Police Chief Ignorant Of Or Disobeying Law?

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Found This On KABA today:

http://www.savannahnow.com/node/319266

According to the article, "The main focus is on guns in the hands of convicted felons and people younger than 21." According to Brady:

Georgia - State law restricts juveniles under 18 from possessing handguns without parental permission or authorized supervision. But there are no restrictions on juveniles possessing rifles or shotguns including semiautomatic assault weapons.

State law limits selling or giving handguns to juveniles under 18. But there are no state restrictions on transferring rifles, shotguns or even assault weapons to kids - without even their parent's permission.

I guess we are looking at another cop who doesn't understand the law. If he "catches" someone who is 18-20 with a gun, what can he do? Ask nicely that they give it to him? :neener:
 
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Please post the entire article next time.

Cash for guns offered by police, CrimeStoppers
Megan Matteucci | Friday, July 6, 2007 at 12:30 am | (see enhanced version)

From left, Sgt. Roger Flannery, Sgt. Mike Wilson and Freddie Clifton, who works for Flannery, pack up some of the 371 guns Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan Police seized this year.

Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan Police have seized 371 guns so far this year, 16 percent more than the first six months of 2006.

Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan Police have seized 371 guns so far this year, 16 percent more than the first six months of 2006.

Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan Police Chief Michael Berkow speaks about the impact of gun violence on the community during a conference held in conjunction with CrimeStoppers.

A 75-year-old woman no longer sits on her front porch. A son no longer comes home to dinner. And a teenage girl won't start school next month.

That's all because of guns in the wrong hands, said Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan Police Chief Michael Berkow.

"What I'm asking is people to be invested in the safety of our community," he said Thursday. "We have had enough tragedies in this community."

Police are recruiting citizens to help officers remove illegal guns from the streets by offering them an incentive: cash.

CrimeStoppers will pay up to $2,500 for information that leads to gun seizures and arrests. Those who offer tips can do so anonymously.

The main focus is on guns in the hands of convicted felons and people younger than 21.

"Somebody knows about these guns. Somebody knows where they are hiding them," Berkow said. "We would prefer to get the gun off the street before it is used in a violent crime."

The rewards are an expansion of CrimeStoppers, which in the past has offered money only for arrests of certain suspects, director Demery Bishop said.

The firearms initiative also is an expansion of the police department's 2007 strategy of targeting the "10 percenters" - the most violent of felons.

As of June 30, violent crime is up 29 percent in Savannah-Chatham compared to the first half of 2007, police crime statistics show. Forty-one more people have been victims of gun crimes than during the same time last year.

"We are focused on violent criminals, individuals who should not have weapons and do," Berkow said.

With a spike in gun violence, Berkow said he is trying everything he can to remove guns from the streets. Whether it's drug disputes or street robberies, police see guns popping up in the wrong hands more and more. "If we can stop three or four teens and get three or four guns, that tells me we have a problem," Berkow said.


Gangs with guns

So far this year, police have seized 371 firearms - including assault rifles, handguns, rifles and sawed-off shotguns. That's up 16 percent from last year, police spokesman Sgt. Mike Wilson said.

Officers have taken guns from middle school students' pockets and diaper bags carried by convicted felons. Many of the guns have been used in multiple crimes, like the ones linked to several homes shot up in May by gang members in Cuyler-Brownville, Berkow said.

Police also are investigating several Savannah gangs that have been linked to gun trafficking. The Waters Avenue Crew and the Paradise Park Clique have been tied to as many as 144 guns stolen in pawn shop burglaries in Savannah and in Eastman, police said.

"Only a small amount of those guns have been recovered," Berkow said. "The gangs were selling guns to the other gangs."

While seizing illegal firearms is the focus of the new program, police also are trying to halt the suppliers. SCMPD is working with federal authorities investigating several dealers, Berkow said.

"How are these guns getting into the hands of the people who have them?" Berkow asked.

Those investigations are active, but they take time to conclude. Complicating their closure is a backlog of evidence that needs to be tested by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, Berkow said.

The police department used to have its own ballistics machine to test firearms and shell casings, but it was confiscated by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after the SCMPD did not use it for several months. Berkow said he is trying to get a replacement machine, because it takes a minimum of 30 days for evidence to come back from the GBI.

"It's a huge issue," Berkow said. "The more shell casings in the database, the more likely you are to get a hit just like DNA and fingerprints. The more data, the more ability you have to link crimes."


'No boundaries'

Savannah is not unique in crimes involving weapons. Over the past two years, aggravated assaults with firearms have increased 1.28 percent, while homicides have risen 2.89 percent in large cities, according to the Police Executive Research Forum.

Of the 15 homicides in Savannah this year, 11 have involved guns. Moreover, four of them involved convicted felons who should not have had guns.

Florrie Morris, 78, was sitting on her porch in the 500 block of 39th Street in February when a stray bullet hit her in the leg. Police said she was a bystander during a gang war in which Teeonne Spencer, 21, was killed as he sat in a car.

All three suspects charged with Spencer's slaying are convicted felons.

Morris, who was treated and released, has since moved.

"She used to hang out on her porch all the time. After that, she didn't come out much," said Rob Morton, who lives in the 500 block of 39th Street. "She now went to stay with her daughter in Atlanta."

Morton, a retired paramedic, was inside his home at the time of the Spencer homicide.

"It concerns me because it was in the middle of the day," he said. "I moved here from (Washington), D.C., to get away from the violence. I've been here six months, and it's been crazy. In a small town like this, violence has no boundaries. We need to find these guys jobs and get them off the corners."

India Boston-Carter, 14, was eating at a restaurant with a friend when she was fatally shot in the head. The 19-year-old shooter has not been charged.

"What is a handgun doing on a restaurant counter?" Berkow said. "That's an example of a gun in the wrong place."


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Gun seizures

Jan. 1-July 3, 2007

307 pistols

64 rifles/shotguns

Jan. 1-July 3, 2006

265 pistols

55 rifles/shotguns

Gun crimes

Jan. 1-July 3, 2007

11 homicides

113 aggravated assaults

187 armed robberies

Jan. 1-July 3, 2006

8 homicides

86 aggravated assaults

177 armed robberies

Source: Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan Police Department
 
Frankly, posting entire articles opens the site up to being attacked for copyright violations. Since this newspaper does not "close" its articles after a few days like the NY Times it doesn't even make sense to do so.
 
Police Chief Ignorant Of Or Disobeying Law?


The Chief was not quoted as saying "The main focus is on guns in the hands of convicted felons and people younger than 21." It was just a line in the story with no attribution, so it probably was the reporter's creation.
 
Tecumseh said:
Please post the entire article next time.
+1 what Damien said.

When you copied the article, did you happen to notice that the entire web page has a copyright notice at the bottom? Copying and posting an entire article on a public forum goes WAY beyond the fair use doctrine.
 
If that's accurate, Aguila Blanca, then the copyright holders can send a take-down notice, and the admins would probably comply. I'm not convinced, though, that any media outlet would much care. Quoting the entire article is common practice on most of the boards I frequent.
 
If that's accurate, Aguila Blanca, then the copyright holders can send a take-down notice, and the admins would probably comply. I'm not convinced, though, that any media outlet would much care. Quoting the entire article is common practice on most of the boards I frequent.
Including this board, I might go so far as to say. That doesn't make it legal, or even "right." It only makes it commonplace.

Driving at speeds well above the posted limit is common practice on most highways across the U.S., too, but that won't prevent you from getting a citation of a trooper catches you in has laser sights.
 
uhhhh...

...as long as it's not attributed to someone else, where's the harm...
If you printed it and sold or profited in some way, without permission, then there would be an infringement... rauch06.gif
...actually, reproducing it in part would seem a greater infringement to me...but what the hell do I know...it's not real, it's only the internet... rauch06.gif
 
Okay, all of this bickering about Fair Use made me get all mad and look up the law myself.

Here is the relevant US Code.

TITLE 17 > CHAPTER 1 > § 107

§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.


And here's a quote from Wiki on Fair Use (though most people dislike quotes from Wiki for some reason).

[Under Fair Use Myths] If you're copying an entire work, it's not fair use. While copying an entire work may make it harder to justify the amount and substantiality test, it doesn't make it impossible. For instance, in the Betamax case, it was ruled that copying a complete television show for time-shifting purposes is fair use.

The legalities are only useful on a case by case basis, whether or not something is a copyright violation or if it falls under Fair Use. This article posted, for example, could be ruled to be a violation of copyright if the copyright holders decide to sue; or not.

I personally hate to link to an article to read it and frankly, I often don't. So if a poster doesn't paste either a substantial portion of the article or the whole thing, I'll ignore it. But that's just me.

Just my uncopyrighted two cents.
 
Don't you mean It's For The Children™, Mumwaldee? :neener:

Wouldn't want you to get into any kinda trouble, now would we?
 
My SOP has been to copy the entire article including the byline that has the name of the news institution and post a link to the article on that news site.

The main down side I see for them is they don't get as many hits and views of their site which might help with online advertising.
 
The web sites that post the articles depend on clicks through their site to generate revenue via advertising, so posting the entire article is actually hurting them. It's a lot like downloading the music of an artist whom you have not paid for the privilege (actually exactly the same) of doing so. I don't imagine many of the people on this board would walk into Barnes and Noble and borrow a magazine because it contains an article we like or are interested in. Just sayin....
 
That's not entirely accurate as I stated above.

Just a shade of gray? Or no controlling legal authority?

Seriously, if you didn't write it and and you post it you are by definition borrowing without permission, maybe you can get away with it but it's still wrong.
 
1. From the text of the article, the under-21 folks the chief was talking about were handgunners who commonly were well under 18.

2. Since folks gotta worry more about "fair use", etc., than about the alleged ignorance of the topcop, there's no further reason to continue this thread.

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