Police Investigate Use Of Submachine Gun In Robbery

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Cincinnati police are trying to figure out how a Tri-state teenager got his hands on a submachine gun -- the one they say was used in an armed holdup in Roselawn Monday night.

Police say Brandon Wilson, 18, of Roselawn, used the MP9 9 mm. submachine gun to rob the owner of Fisher's Market on Reading Road.

Investigators say Wilson had the gun in his waistband.

Wilson now faces several charges.

Link to story with pictures.

In a TV news story I saw the police said that the serial number was "scratched off" but that they had "ways" to identify it.
 
Hmm that looks more like a tec 9.

I seriously doubt it is full auto.

Sounds like the police and media have some assault weapon agenda.
 
This story has to be fake. Automatic weapons are restricted for civilians. That means it's impossible for a criminal to get one. :rolleyes:

Looks like something you could put together in a garage. I'm willing to bet it's a semi-auto pistol.
 
Yes, it looks like a TEC 9.

I have seen multiple stories from separate sources locally (although all originating from the police) affirming that it was, in fact, a full auto submachinegun. Of course the cops could be wrong.
 
In a TV news story I saw the police said that the serial number was "scratched off" but that they had "ways" to identify it.
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I have read that they can X-ray the reciever and see the imppressions in the metal from the serial number stamping process
 
This looks like an Interdynamics MP9, which I guess is a select fire KG99? Maybe full auto only? I had a vague notion that such a thing might exist, but lord, what an awful looking p.o.s.

Clearly not the Ruger MP9, nor the Steyr TMP variant MP9, or the MP9 Special Action Weapon... or the Kahr PM9... Manufacturers really need to give up calling things "PM9", it's getting way too confusing.

ETA: Is it even a real Tec, or is it a clone like the AA Arms? Looks like an AR style grip on it instead of the usual polymer one piece lower, and the sights aren't really intratec style... and I think it looks like it's closed bolt/striker fired operation? This one's a stumper.
 
On TV they showed it before they had taped the mag to it. It really looked like a crappy, POS TEC 9 (i.e., really evil). Who knows. I doubt we ill ever hear. The story will fade away. No citizen witnesses will show. The criminal will plead to unlawfull assembly or such and will be back to business as usual soon. When he is arrested again, we will be told by his family that he is a "good kid who was turning his life around."

But I digress... I really don't think it is an MP9 (which seems like a rare bird, indeed). On the other hand, if that info came from the police, they probably just read it off of the barrel stamp.
 
Maybe it's the Encom MP-9? A Tec-9 derivitive with a similar grip/magwell assembly; stamped sheet metal + AR style grip rather than all polymer?

http://www.wapahani.com/encom.jpg

The sights (hah!) are similar too, I think it must be an Encom...
 
Now I feel ignorant - when did Ruger make a subgun?
That captured one looks pretty ugly, too. gah. If I have to have a 9mm squirt gun, it will be either an MP5, or MP40 Schmiesser. :cool:
 
Well, if it WAS full auto, then it is either registered to a private citizen (fully transferable) or was transfered to a law enforecement agency. There is no way (no way!) that either gave it to this 18 year old upstanding citizen. Either way, they trace it back and find out -- that's right -- it was stolen.

How exactly has this registration scheme helped to prove or solve anything? We already have the perp for armed robbery. That should put him away for long enough. If we only found the gun (e.g., he dropped it and got away), how does the registry help us ID the perp. My chances of winning the lottery (without buying a ticket) are better than the chances that this NFA subgun is registered to this 18 y.o. perp. Likewise, the chances that F-Troop's records for this piece of metal will identify any additional criminals (who stole it in the first place) are the same.

Maybe we need to outlaw theft of property (the gun), trafficing in stolen merchandise (the gun), and robbery (armed or not). If that doesn't work, lets ban assault weapons, gun shows, and impose a draconian registration and tax on all machineguns. That would have prevented this for sure!

Thank you for letting me vent. :fire:
 
Well, if it WAS full auto, then it is either registered to a private citizen (fully transferable) or was transfered to a law enforecement agency. There is no way (no way!) that either gave it to this 18 year old upstanding citizen. Either way, they trace it back and find out -- that's right -- it was stolen.
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Chances are, if it's auto, it's not registered at all. Smuggled in and sold illegally, or converted from a semi-automatic gun maybe, but not a legally registered NFA item.
 
If the gun is an Interdynamic KG9 (similar to tec 9) it would be a legal to own open bolt semi auto. They were banned from production in 1989 and then produced as closed bolts as the KG99. They were banned because they were fairly easy to make full auto. SAme deal with all the other open bolt guns ie. mac 10's, etc... Most made closed bolt guns or went out of business.

On the other hand it may be semi-auto and the ever so gun knowledgable media is calling it a sub machinegun. The article says nothing about the gun being fully automatic.

To PMDW: It is legal for a citizen to own a fully automatic weapon. It has to be registered, you pay $200/gun per year for a tax stamp and you give up the right to search and siezure.
 
I was under the impression that you had to be 21 anyways to own an NFA weapon. And the tax was a one time only deal.

My vote is on the semi.

MP40 Schmiesser
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About the only subgun I have a desire to have (aside from its counterpart, the Thompson).
 
To PMDW: It is legal for a citizen to own a fully automatic weapon. It has to be registered, you pay $200/gun per year for a tax stamp and you give up the right to search and siezure.
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Yes, I know, I have one. I work at a shop that has an FFL/SOT 03. I deal with NFA items and paperwork daily.

Also, the $200 tax is paid only when the weapon is transfered to another entity, unless that entity is the lawful heir of the deceased owner, in which case the tax is waived.

What I was getting at, was that if the weapon was fully automatic chances are it wasn't a stolen registered weapon. It was either smuggled into the country or sold illegally, or converted from a semi-automatic firearm. Reread my post.
 
The $200 NFA tax is not per year, it's each time it is transfered. So I guess they have him on tax evasion, too.

It may not be a full auto, but I am convinced that the media are accurately reporting what the police have told them.
 
WOW!
A criminal using an illegal gun!
Why, I always thought they used legally aquired firearms while committing their crimes.
 
To PMDW: It is legal for a citizen to own a fully automatic weapon. It has to be registered, you pay $200/gun per year for a tax stamp and you give up the right to search and siezure.
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I really wish people would stop perpetuating this MYTH. No rights are surrendered.
 
Quote: You mean people can get guns through illegal means?

I doubt it. 20,000 gun laws, threats of jail time, Liberal Politicians, Soccer Moms, 4473's, instant background checks, 2 forms of I.D. and the Brady Bill keeps this from happening. Must be a fluke. :uhoh:
 
Yeah, assuming it's the Encom/Component Metal Products MP9, they stopped making them in 1994, when the ban happened. How could it not have vanished in a puff of smoke?
As a further point of interest, some time in late production, Encom lengthened the reciever tube in the back because sometimes the bolt wouldn't reciprocate enough to eject spent casings... this is not one of those models. It does, however, have the later model "fixed low profile" sights. I'm having trouble remembering why these were ever popular. They still have a website, and it's kind of hilarious in describing them;
"...the weapon was lacking in high production quality. Most of the first models were custom built and replacement parts were not always compatible. The demand was more than the company could produce."

http://www.cmp45.com/pages/2/index.htm
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2600/2604.htm

Apparently some people still think they're hot stuff; here's one on Gunsamerica for only $950! Check out that craftsmanship... gorgeous. :rolleyes:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976385895.htm
 
Sure looks like a Tec 9 to me.

The site with the story is down, so I can't read it. Did the kid shoot at all?

I am fairly ignorant in these matters, but I assume it would be possible for an armourer to inspect the weapon and ascertain whether it was automatic or not.

Of course, the kid should not have had a handgun by law anyway.

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I heard this story on Q102 this morning. They were calling it a "MP3 machine gun".

I laughed and thought, "maybe I can plug it into my computer and play music with it."

When you hear inaccurate crap like this, it really makes you wonder how many other stories they don't get straight...
 
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