Police kill man in bed.

[c_yeager]

Come on guys, whats so hard to understand..get your hands up is not that hard of a comand...most of these guys though think theyre thoug, and if theres anyone to blame, is the chiks husband not the officer..

You might consider actually reading the article in it's entirety. Particularly this section:

"People were out running around, grabbing their kids" when the shot went off, Salaz said. "Then, you could hear the officers inside yelling 'Put your hands up!"'

Note the chronology of events: Bang, "put your hands up"

You might also notice that the man who was shot had litle or nothing to do with the domestic dispute.

 

[Werewolf]

Wllm. Legrand referring to the role of Police in US society:

At a party they may seem like good people. But they are first and foremost agents of the State, that from which they derive their power and identity.

Well I'll be darned. Someone on THR actually does understand who and what the POLICE are.

Until everyone understands the above the myth that the police are our friend will continue to promulgate itself throughout our society. Of course the powers that be do everything in their power to make us believe that the police are our friend - all the while chuckling amongst themselves and making bad jokes about how gullible the masses really are.

 

[Hardware]

Be reasonable and drink the kool-aid.

 

[gt3944]

You might consider actually reading the article in it's entirety. Particularly this section:



Note the chronology of events: Bang, "put your hands up"

You might also notice that the man who was shot had litle or nothing to do with the domestic dispute.

Key words, "CHRIMINAL RECORD" and I dont think that the cops are just gonna bursts in and shoot somebody for domestic violence..

 

[Werewolf]

Be reasonable and drink the kool-aid.

I'll tell ya what. When the day comes that the powers that be order the police to confiscate all weapons from civilians (or any other police state action) and the police, in mass, collectively tell the PTB to off then I'll drink the coolaid.

Fortunately for me the CA and NOLA cops as well as the OKNG (I was ashamed to be an Okie on that day) are fine examples of slavering dogs obeying their masters and are highly indicative that any police state orders will be readily and happily obeyed, tails wagging in anticipation of the opportunity to exercise the control over us they all savor so much.

Odds are I won't ever have to drink that cool aid and not because the order will not ever be given but because the cops will obey the order - in mass. I doubt if more than 1% would disobey - after all it would be a lawful order from their masters...

 

[Old Dog]

Okay, so it was a "bad shoot." Maybe the department did attempt to cover-up and whitewash the incident. But this:

They look like good people. At a party they may seem like good people. But they are first and foremost agents of the State, that from which they derive their power and identity.

So police officers, then, are not like real human beings -- those who are non-police officers ... Their employment as law enforcement officers automatically renders them beings that, because of their jobs, and the fact they're employed by government, are incapable of displaying the traits you want to see in human beings? No cop thinks like you or me? All their "power and identity" comes from their job? Whoa.

Sheesh. Once again, an officer-involved shooting story turns into regular people vs. evil law enforcement agents of the state.

 

[buzz_knox]

On second thought, no reason to contribute to thread drift.

 

[benEzra]

Key words, "CHRIMINAL RECORD"

...dating from 1959. Forty-six years ago. Maybe some more recent, but there is no indication that

(1) this elderly man was recently participating in criminal activity;

(2) that he was viewed as a threat by the police, prior to the incident;

(3) that his decades-old criminal record had ANYTHING to do with his being shot.

My father-in-law is in his seventies. When he was 21 or 22, just out of the Navy, he did something really stupid and got a felony rap for robbery, in the mid-1950's. He got caught, served a bit of time, got straightened out, got married, gave up alcohol on my now-wife's 16th birthday, and has lived an exemplary life since.

If someone accidentally shot him TODAY, and then used a crime he committed in 1955 to justify the shooting, I think I'd be pretty upset. To me, that would be just grasping at straws.

I fully understand the officer's actions. From here, he appears to have made a tactical mistake, perhaps due to bad training or just bad tactics, putting himself in a situation in which he felt he had to shoot somebody, and unfortunately for all concerned, he did. But regardless of one's opinion on this incident, what the victim here did three or four decades ago has nothing to do with the justifiability or non-justifiability of this shoot.

 

[Hollowdweller]

Ahhh, but the man killed here had a criminal, so he musta derserved it.

That was the spin that I thought the article was trying to do.

 

[MN_Strelok]

Salaz and other neighbors knew that Martinez had already jumped out a window and run away before three officers, including Ford, entered through the same window. Police had surrounded the building, but an officer walked around to the front, allowing Martinez an opportunity to flee, neighbors said. It was at least 25 minutes after Martinez ran away before the officers went in, Salaz said.

That's nice. If one of those neighbors had simply passed that bit of information on to the police, the whole situation could've been avoided.

For me, the original article created more questions than answers. (Was the shootee an EDP? Was he high? How did he react to the cop(s) entering his room? Did either of the other cops witness the shooting?) If the above quote is true, however, the neighbors bear at least part of the blame.

 

[tellner]

That's nice. If one of those neighbors had simply passed that bit of information on to the police, the whole situation could've been avoided.

For me, the original article created more questions than answers. (Was the shootee an EDP? Was he high? How did he react to the cop(s) entering his room? Did either of the other cops witness the shooting?) If the above quote is true, however, the neighbors bear at least part of the blame.

Maybe in some far-off abstract way. But the guy who does the crime is the criminal. From what we see here it sounds like a bad shoot where the officer is being protected by his fellows. That makes him the criminal if there's a crime. It's his responsibility, and if he can't take responsibility for it he shouldn't wear that badge and gun.

It's funny. I've watched the local papers for every single police shooting in my city for about fifteen years. Every single one of them was justified. Every single one of them was no-bill if it even went to the Grand Jury. And every time the FOP and the police administrators allowed as how there might be bad shoots, but this one was different. In fifteen years just given human fallibility it's unlikely approaching ridiculous to believe that not one shooting would have been criminal if had happened to a "mere civilian".

 

[Wllm. Legrand]

Okay, so it was a "bad shoot." Maybe the department did attempt to cover-up and whitewash the incident. But this:
So police officers, then, are not like real human beings -- those who are non-police officers ... Their employment as law enforcement officers automatically renders them beings that, because of their jobs, and the fact they're employed by government, are incapable of displaying the traits you want to see in human beings? No cop thinks like you or me? All their "power and identity" comes from their job? Whoa.

Sheesh. Once again, an officer-involved shooting story turns into regular people vs. evil law enforcement agents of the state.

Well, actually..yes.

There are the "good cops". They refer to themselves as "peace officers", not "law enforcement". The title "law enforcement", treasured by the rest, should be a clue. If the implications do nott resonate with you, then think about it. Anyway, back to "good cops". Good cops will not tolerate unconstitutional laws, no matter what their area of operation. These kind of people are a distinct, miniscule minority. I paint with broad brush because it is true.

Then you have the 'intimidating cop', who is in the majority. As I mentioned before, he obtains his power (which he craves, and was his reason for becoming a "law enforcement officer"), and his identity. Most of what he does, says, the people he associates with, and his view on the relationship between the citizen and the government, is tainted by this perspective.

Then you have the "rogue cop". Bad seed. Lying, conniving, not worthy of trust. A significant portion of cops, who do "okay" on the force because of the benefit of the "blue shield of silence". Not worthy of any respect whatsover, they would follow any government, enforce any law, and consider themselves and their "brother" "law enforcement officers" as more worthy individuals than ordinary citizens.

Sorry to "offend" anyone (rhetorical response), but that's the way it is.

"Law Enforcement Officers" are not Andy Taylor. Basically a gang mentality runs through them, unfortunately powerful by the imprimatur of the State.

 

[tellner]

Reminds me of an old Colorado Sheriff who said "I'm here to uphold the Peace. Don't make me enforce the Law."

 

[NineseveN]

Reminds me of an old Colorado Sheriff who said "I'm here to uphold the Peace. Don't make me enforce the Law."

That's simply awesome!

 

[Optical Serenity]

Another cop bashing thread....

 

[AnthonyRSS]

I'm still trying to figure out what is wrong with John Wayne.

 

[Wllm. Legrand]

Another cop bashing thread....

A simplistic perspective.

Obviously the point of view of one that does not wish to clutter his mind with perspectives or observations that are different from his own.

Silly, actually. I know, not suspect, not think, but know that Denver police conspired to obstruct justice and conceal the truth.

Cop bashing? What a moron.

 

[pax]

And this one is done.

Wm Legrand, a PM is on the way.

pax