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Police officer fired for smoking tobacco (off the job)

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Well, where do we go from here? I don't see how it can get much worse, but it probably will.:barf:

Police officer fired for smoking tobacco
By Associated Press, 6/22/2003 06:08
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/173/region/Police_officer_fired_for_smoki:.shtml

FALL RIVER, Mass. (AP) A police officer who was fired for violating an obscure state law banning smoking among public safety workers plans to fight his dismissal, which was based on an anonymous letter.

Wayne Jeffrey, a seven-year veteran of the Fall River force, was fired May 29 after an internal investigation, prompted by an unsigned letter that claimed he smoked tobacco at a party.

A 1988 state law states that police officers and firefighters are subject to immediate termination if they are found to be using tobacco products either on- or off-duty.

''It's our policy to investigate any accusation thoroughly regardless of the source,'' Police Chief John M. Souza told the Fall River Herald News. ''The statute as written provides us no room for discretion.''

Statewide, only two other officers have been fired since the law went into effect, but Jeffrey's case was the first based on an anonymous tip.

''I don't think when they drafted this law they intended it to be used in this manner,'' Jeffrey, 42, told the Boston Herald. ''If you're charged with a crime, you get to face your accuser. I never got to face my accuser.''

State Rep. Robert Correia, D-Fall River, agrees and said he would file legislation to give officers second chances. Those caught smoking would have one chance to quit by joining a cessation group at their own cost, according to Correia's bill. He called the anonymous letter ''insidious.''

''The law wasn't passed for people to use it against one another,'' Correia said.

Jeffrey plans to appeal for arbitration or a civil service hearing. History is against him, however. The state Supreme Judicial Court in 1997 upheld the firing of a Plymouth officer who was caught smoking four years earlier in her cruiser.

The Legislature passed the law to accompany legislation that enables public safety officials to receive special disability benefits easier than the average worker. Without the law, proponents argue, doctors are unable to determine if a heart or lung illness is work related.

Under the law, all new public safety hires must sign a contract, as Jeffrey did, pledging not to smoke tobacco products.
 
Under the law, all new public safety hires must sign a contract, as Jeffrey did, pledging not to smoke tobacco products.

Yeah forget about the fact that he signed a contract, and forget about the fact that your tax dollars pay for him when he gets sick....

WildgoodlawAlaska
 
Nothing new here. A couple of years ago a teacher was dismissed from her job because someone saw her smoking in her car while she was driving down the street on her own time.

Their excuse was that they have a strict no smoking policy and those who smoke cause insurance premiums to go up for the rest of the employees. Once again, they place a dollar value on your rights and liberties. When that dollar value is exceeded, you lose that right.

Examples would be the requirements for helmets and seat belts. If you are injured in an accident, the cost to society is too high so you must be protected from yourself by a government that will disavow any responsibility to protect you from others.

This guy should simply state that he wasn't smoking tobacco products. He should state that he was smoking cornsilk like people did during the depression.
 
Yeah forget about the fact that he signed a contract, and forget about the fact that your tax dollars pay for him when he gets sick....

Hey, good idea! I think they should make them sign contracts promising to use birth control and wear galoshes in the winter so that we don't have to pay for pregnancies or cold medicine among government employees, either!

Un-friggin'-believable.

WildgoodlawAlaska

I'm beginning to wonder if you've ever seen a bad one. :scrutiny:
 
I'm beginning to wonder if you've ever seen a bad one.

Golly and Im wondering if youve ever seen a good one :)

I think they should make them sign contracts promising to use birth control and wear galoshes in the winter so that we don't have to pay for pregnancies or cold medicine among government employees, either!

Hell yeah! im paying for it...

Always wanted to have Senators get paid the same amount as an army private and live in barracks...govt service should be a priviledge not a cash cow..

WildcheapskateAlaska
 
Too right.

SteelyDan:
Un-freaking-believable. Repeat: un-freaking-believable.

I absolutely agree.

Esky
who hopes they don't hear about this in Australia, it's bad enough here already
 
I'm not sure how keen I am on anybody (pointers or setters) doing all this "voting" stuff; it seems to cause about as many problems as it solves. ;)
 
I'm not sure how keen I am on anybody (pointers or setters) doing all this "voting" stuff; it seems to cause about as many problems as it solves.

Hmm appoint me as all powerful omnipotent and all knowing great Leader....

No need for voting then..

My campaign promise...a mingun in every garage! (But I gets the Vulcan)..

Alors, to NYC I go!

WildvoteformeandammoisfreeAlaska
 
Ok call me naive but I don't see how that law can stand up in court. You want to make it count against his health care premium fine, fire him.. NO. While we're at it why don't we add drinking, eating fast food, and not exercising to the list. I think a law should be passed that forces all public servants to run at least 10 miles a day or else they will be fired.:scrutiny: So much for liberty....:fire:

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Wild Alaska is 100% correct.

If you ,or your union , demand that a third party has to pay your health care costs, that third party has every right in the world to require that you are not permitted to engage in any risky behavior, whether it be smoking, skydiving, motorcycles, or anything else.

Don't like that idea? Pay for your own health insurance. Subsidized health care, whether it comes from the gummint , or a place that work actually gets done, is the main reason that health care costs have run out of sight. It seems that everybody wants someone else to pay for their fun.
 
If you ,or your union , demand that a third party has to pay your health care costs, that third party has every right in the world to require that you are not permitted to engage in any risky behavior, whether it be smoking, skydiving, motorcycles, or anything else.

I don't know how bad a neighbourhood Falls River actually is, but the guy's job just MIGHT pose some risks to his health that are greater than smoking.

This whole thing is ridiculous. Fortunately they could never impose such a policy over here. 80% of my colleagues would be fired on the spot...


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Trooper
 
Smoking is everybody's problem. There should be a law making tobacco illeagle to posses or use in any form.

I have had some personal experiances with the effects of smoking on members of my family. My Aunt Olive smoked until she diedlast April. Her house smelled like tobacco. If you visited her you smelled like tobacco. When it was made clear to her that smoking was going to kill her, did she quit? Not a chance.

Who knows how the hell long she might have lived had she not gotten involved with EVIL TOBACCO.

I was looking forward to her 95th birthday. :what:

Regardless of what people like Wildalaska think about this case, this freekin stinks.



IF A NANY STATE CAN TAKE ANY ONE OF YOUR RIGHTS AWAY, THEY CAN TAKE ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS AWAY :banghead: :cuss: :fire:
 
If they did that over here, there are two options:

- no cops (to my knowledge, almost 90% are at least occasional smokers)
- the guys that voted that junk law would have unmarked police cars with cameras following them all the time and fine every infraction they can come up.
 
Rick

You totally confused me:

There should be a law making tobacco illeagle to posses or use in any form.

and then:

IF A NANY STATE CAN TAKE ANY ONE OF YOUR RIGHTS AWAY, THEY CAN TAKE ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS AWAY

So you want to control what other people do, but you don't want anybody to take away your rights??
 
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