I bought a boat in Florida and there was a wasp nest under the gunnel on the starboard side. I found that the wasp spray sprays about 12 feet and is extremely effective. It works very well, I recommend that my daughter keep it with her in her car in case they ever make a nest in her car. This stuff is a very concentrated stream, it is perfectly legal to have with you. If you have a wasp problem in your area you probably already carry it.
Police puts Felony charge on pepper spray?
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BushyGuy
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sounds liek that cop that arrested the man for carrying a 4 oz can of pepper spray cant find his ass in the dark, 4 oz or 10 oz or 2 oz wont make a difference a 2 oz FOX spray is as good as 4 oz LEO pepper spray.
mljdeckard
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As a former peace officer and use of force trainer, you are at least somewhat conditioned to the LEA's interests in making sure that other options BESIDES deadly force are used to shield the department from liability. Police are trained to use gradual steps in the use of force to be able to tell the lawyer of the deceased that they tried something BESIDES deadly force before they shot him. This has much more to do with keeping the department from getting sued than it does keeping the officer safe or being humane (?!) to the target. I am absolutely with Deanimator here, I have absolutely no reason to play with 'less lethal' weapons. If I wasn't sure they homeless guy blocking my way was a real threat to my safety, I wouldn't use a gun OR spray on him. All carrying spray does is further complicate my tactics and give me another piece of equipment that might fail, and delay me in using my real weapon.
Police interests and CITIZENS' interests are VERY different, and this demonstrates why and how.
Police interests and CITIZENS' interests are VERY different, and this demonstrates why and how.
BHP FAN
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''I don't want to subdue anyone and have no powers of arrest...''
yes,you do.
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Each state, with the exception of North Carolina, permits citizen arrests if the commission of a felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police. The application of state laws varies widely with respect to misdemeanors, breaches of the peace, and felonies not witnessed by the arresting party. American citizens do not carry the authority or enjoy the legal protections held by police officers, and are held to the principle of strict liability before the courts of civil- and criminal law including but not limited to any infringement of another's rights.[30]
Though North Carolina General Statutes have no provision for citizens' arrests, detention by private persons is permitted and applies to both civilians and police officers outside their jurisdiction.[31] Detention is permitted where probable cause exists that one has committed a felony, breach of peace, physical injury to another person, or theft or destruction of property.[32] Detention is different from an arrest in that in a detention the detainee may not be transported without consent.
yes,you do.
United States
Each state, with the exception of North Carolina, permits citizen arrests if the commission of a felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police. The application of state laws varies widely with respect to misdemeanors, breaches of the peace, and felonies not witnessed by the arresting party. American citizens do not carry the authority or enjoy the legal protections held by police officers, and are held to the principle of strict liability before the courts of civil- and criminal law including but not limited to any infringement of another's rights.[30]
Though North Carolina General Statutes have no provision for citizens' arrests, detention by private persons is permitted and applies to both civilians and police officers outside their jurisdiction.[31] Detention is permitted where probable cause exists that one has committed a felony, breach of peace, physical injury to another person, or theft or destruction of property.[32] Detention is different from an arrest in that in a detention the detainee may not be transported without consent.
mljdeckard
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However, in my state I am not allowed to use deadly force to affect an arrest. If I physically restrain someone in any way, they are considered under arrest. Arrest and self-defense are two separate unrelated things.
HankB
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This thread has covered the matter of size, but I'm unaware of any laws limiting concentrations. Do you have a link?Zoogster said:
svaz
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The high-capacity assault mace can. Just when I thought I'd heard it all. 
Hopefully it didn't have a bayonet lug and a folding stock ...
Hopefully it didn't have a bayonet lug and a folding stock ...
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Man arrested for throwing spicy enchilada at assailant-claims it was "only a medium"A homeless man doesn't scare me. More then likely it isn't someone that is homeless that will attack you.
The problem with the law & the pepper spray is that it is incomplete. It dosn't really say what is illegal. It leaves it up to the citizen & the officer to interrupt. This is only one small problem with LEO's which seems to make them think they make there own laws. I am stereo typing of course, so if you are a LEO & not like this I don't mean to affend you.
The government keeps making dumb laws & the crime rate keeps going up. Seems like simple math to me the more stupid laws there is the more stupid laws will be broken.
I was attacked by a dog this summer & shoot it. I had a cop talk to me about it & was going to charge me with discharging a firearm within 500' of a dwelling. He must have changed his mind because I never received anything after that. With this stupid law even though someone was in your house & armed, if you shot them you could be arrested.
I try hard to do the right thing but these laws are to stupid to fallow.
The problem with the law & the pepper spray is that it is incomplete. It dosn't really say what is illegal. It leaves it up to the citizen & the officer to interrupt. This is only one small problem with LEO's which seems to make them think they make there own laws. I am stereo typing of course, so if you are a LEO & not like this I don't mean to affend you.
The government keeps making dumb laws & the crime rate keeps going up. Seems like simple math to me the more stupid laws there is the more stupid laws will be broken.
I was attacked by a dog this summer & shoot it. I had a cop talk to me about it & was going to charge me with discharging a firearm within 500' of a dwelling. He must have changed his mind because I never received anything after that. With this stupid law even though someone was in your house & armed, if you shot them you could be arrested.
I try hard to do the right thing but these laws are to stupid to fallow.
Deanimator
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I have no powers of arrest worthy of mention. I'm not a cop. I don't want to do the things which cops are allegedly supposed to do.
I have no backup and the police have NO legal duty to relieve me. Once I've "caught" this hypothetical bad guy, what am I supposed to do with him if the cops determine that they have better things to do than to take him off my hands? I don't want custody of him in the first place. If he sees my gun and runs, he's no longer a threat to me. If he sees my gun and presses his attack, he's obviously a danger to me and needs to be expeditiously neutralized. In neither of those examples does "arrest" figure.
mljdeckard
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^^Yep.
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