Police raid high school; place kids on floor at gunpoint.
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Someday (I can only hope), the images like the one above would be viewed the same way that pictures of OGPU or NKVD actions are now viewed in Russia
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Sergeant Bob
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What if some of you were at work at the office and a bunch of cops came in, put you all on the floor with weapons drawn "at ready", pointed them at a couple of you, and searched through everyone's personal belongings looking for drugs (finding none, by the way)? OK with that?
Saw the video, followed by a police spokesman who said (loosely) "The officers had their weapons drawn at "low ready" in case any of the students made an "unfornate decision" to attack the officers, or attempt to escape".
Saw the video, followed by a police spokesman who said (loosely) "The officers had their weapons drawn at "low ready" in case any of the students made an "unfornate decision" to attack the officers, or attempt to escape".
Sportcat
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Not only were the officers looking for drugs, but the school recently had reports of WEAPONS!!!
Gee, wouldn't you want your weapon handy if you were searching someone who might have a weapon on them?
Gee, wouldn't you want your weapon handy if you were searching someone who might have a weapon on them?
Oleg Volk
Moderator Emeritus
I just keep wondering how many people who viewed this video would choose to carry a backup chambered for 7.62x25 Tokarev from now on. Good people (including many LEOs on this forum) are likely to end up taking flak for the bad hominids shown in this view.
As for "weapons"., I've taught at colleges where students brought in swords, crossbows and (probably) firearms...didn't bother anyone, students or instructors. And if a specific person was a real threat, then why not go after that individual instead of victimizing everyone.
As for "weapons"., I've taught at colleges where students brought in swords, crossbows and (probably) firearms...didn't bother anyone, students or instructors. And if a specific person was a real threat, then why not go after that individual instead of victimizing everyone.
Sportcat
Member
Yes, weapons.
saddenedcitizen
Member
Gotta go w/jimpeel & others on this
After watching the clip -
Sorry but those officers are ready to fire and YES they
they did muzzle sweep several students.
You try that same tactic ANYWHERE with CCW and say
you were simply 'unsure' of the situation you were in
and see where you wind up
(hint - broke and behind bars).
But I forgot - these are highly trained professionals who
never have AD's (yeah, right)
Many of them are elitists and bullies and now they can
bully LEGALLY. Above the law and can tell YOU to do
whatever they want.
Too much 'enthusiasm' and 'military' leaning/training.
And no guns on school property - well that little 'inconvenience'
doesn't apply to them (along with a host of other 'inconveniences')
As to another poster - yes, they can search lockers (they are
usually part of the building but if I can prevent &/or intervene
in it, I'll be da**ed if I'll let them search my kids PERSONAL
property (clothing/backpack etc) without a warrant and a fight.
(one of the reasons I've stopped flying commercial - assumed
guilty and subject to INTRUSIVE searches at the whim of some
lifetime termination/suit/ proof federal employee - try resoning
with one sometime)
It appears that this is part of conditioning - get the next
used to/comfortable with being watched/searched/scanned
followed/tracked CONTINUOUSLY with no recourse
and no escape.
4th Ammendment ?? What's that ??
&DIETY help us !!!
After watching the clip -
Sorry but those officers are ready to fire and YES they
they did muzzle sweep several students.
You try that same tactic ANYWHERE with CCW and say
you were simply 'unsure' of the situation you were in
and see where you wind up
(hint - broke and behind bars).
But I forgot - these are highly trained professionals who
never have AD's (yeah, right)
Many of them are elitists and bullies and now they can
bully LEGALLY. Above the law and can tell YOU to do
whatever they want.
Too much 'enthusiasm' and 'military' leaning/training.
And no guns on school property - well that little 'inconvenience'
doesn't apply to them (along with a host of other 'inconveniences')
As to another poster - yes, they can search lockers (they are
usually part of the building but if I can prevent &/or intervene
in it, I'll be da**ed if I'll let them search my kids PERSONAL
property (clothing/backpack etc) without a warrant and a fight.
(one of the reasons I've stopped flying commercial - assumed
guilty and subject to INTRUSIVE searches at the whim of some
lifetime termination/suit/ proof federal employee - try resoning
with one sometime)
It appears that this is part of conditioning - get the next
used to/comfortable with being watched/searched/scanned
followed/tracked CONTINUOUSLY with no recourse
and no escape.
4th Ammendment ?? What's that ??
&DIETY help us !!!
geekWithA.45
Moderator Emeritus
After Having viewed the video, all I've got to say is:
This is unnacceptable.
Displaying this level of force for a couple of high school pot dealers is entirely over the top.
I'm not really willing to contemplate as valid the "officer's safety" argument, because that can be used to justify any level of force, in any situation.
Absent any direct opposition, when this much force is thrown around by the state, it has only one purpose:
To cow the populace into compliance.
We cannot accept this.
This is SO WRONG I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT IT.
What have they achieved with this raid?
Well, they didn't catch any pot dealers, and even if they did, that end would not be justified by the means.
What they did succeed at is scaring the crap out of a lot of kids, and taught them that the power the state holds over them is limitless.
Shame on everyone involved for their bad judgement.
This is unnacceptable.
Displaying this level of force for a couple of high school pot dealers is entirely over the top.
I'm not really willing to contemplate as valid the "officer's safety" argument, because that can be used to justify any level of force, in any situation.
Absent any direct opposition, when this much force is thrown around by the state, it has only one purpose:
To cow the populace into compliance.
We cannot accept this.
This is SO WRONG I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT IT.
What have they achieved with this raid?
Well, they didn't catch any pot dealers, and even if they did, that end would not be justified by the means.
What they did succeed at is scaring the crap out of a lot of kids, and taught them that the power the state holds over them is limitless.
Shame on everyone involved for their bad judgement.
gun-fucious
Member
i wonder what the result would be from citizens
"raiding" a police social party with drug sniffing dogs
i would bet more than some residue alerts
"raiding" a police social party with drug sniffing dogs
i would bet more than some residue alerts
hops
Member
Wow!
ojibweindian
Member
Hey Sportscat
Got any kids? Would you like them to have been there during that raid?
Tell you what, next time someone sweeps you with their muzzle at the range, don't get bent out of shape, just tell yourself the weapon was at "low ready".
Oh, btw, welcome to our brave, new world...
Got any kids? Would you like them to have been there during that raid?
Tell you what, next time someone sweeps you with their muzzle at the range, don't get bent out of shape, just tell yourself the weapon was at "low ready".
Oh, btw, welcome to our brave, new world...
Balog
Member
If you get pulled over for speeding in a neighborhood where it had been reported that someone might have a weapon, would you want the cop to approach your window with his gun pointed at your head?
Let's face it, anytime a cop does anything there is a chance weapons will be present.
Splat Shot
Member
This whole thing could have gone totally out of control by one "furtive movement" of a student reaching in his pocket or picking up a cell phone. I can see it now, student goes into a pocket, cop shoots him, other cops panic (yes, cops do panic), swing around and start firing, people screaming and running.
Also reminds me of a poll taken a while back, I think with cops and/or the military on what they would do if ordered to do something they thought morally wrong. Some or many said they would disobey orders and refuse to do such a thing. Yeah right - wonder how many refused to go on this little raid?
Edited to note that I am not anti cop. I have very close relatives that are on the force but this went way over the line.
Also reminds me of a poll taken a while back, I think with cops and/or the military on what they would do if ordered to do something they thought morally wrong. Some or many said they would disobey orders and refuse to do such a thing. Yeah right - wonder how many refused to go on this little raid?
Edited to note that I am not anti cop. I have very close relatives that are on the force but this went way over the line.
rock jock
Member
Raid? Yes. Drawn weapons? Not unless a reasonable person would perceive a threat.
gun-fucious
Member
Carlos
Member
Ain't that the truth. The more I think about it, the more it really pisses me off.
Balog
Member
I wonder how many had a problem with it? M*****F******* brownshirt wannabe's. I'd hope they got punished, but our friend Lon Horiuchi kinda ruined my hopes in that area
Balog
Member
Must have watched the video.
If you upholster your weapon you intend to use it. Those 15 police officers were intending to use their weapons on those students over the possible possession and sale of small amounts of marijuana. Why is our Government so afraid of its citizens that they train the police force to draw their weapons on anyone including children, innocent or not?
Perhaps the Government is conditioning the police not to trust the people they are suppose to be protecting and at the same time conditioning the future generations of America to believe that the Government has all the power and having a police officer pointing a gun at you is perfectly normal.
DO NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT OR LAW ENFORCMENT OFFICERS, FOR THEY DO NOT TRUST YOU!
Perhaps the Government is conditioning the police not to trust the people they are suppose to be protecting and at the same time conditioning the future generations of America to believe that the Government has all the power and having a police officer pointing a gun at you is perfectly normal.
DO NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT OR LAW ENFORCMENT OFFICERS, FOR THEY DO NOT TRUST YOU!
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