Police shoot two men in traffic stop

[trooper]

http://portale.web.de/Schlagzeilen/?msg_id=4272811

quick-and-dirty translation:

Two men were shot by the police during a traffic stop in Frankfurt on Tuesday evening. According to the police spokesman the unidentified suspects opened fire from inside their vehicle and hit one officer in the shoulder. The officers returned fire and killed both suspects.

The police reported that a plain-cloth patrol had stopped the vehicle around 2200 h near downtown Frankfurt. When the two officers asked for DL and car registration both the driver and the passenger started to shoot at them. The driver was killed during the following firefight while the passenger died at a local hospital soon afterwards.

On Wednesday morning it was still unclear whether this shoot-out has any connections to an armed robbery that was reported in Frankfurt shortly before. The dead suspects are still unidentified. The police will announce further details today. The Hessian State Bureau of Investigation and the District Attorney declined giving any comments.

 

[Lone Star]

Trooper-

What gun and ammo do the Frankfurt police use?

Is this likely to cause a leftwing political backlash, as I've read often happens if a European cop shoots someone, no matter how justified?

Thanks,

Lone Star

 

[trooper]

Hessian police carry the SIG-Sauer P 225, if I remember correctly. Ammo for most German LE agencies is Dynamit Nobel 9mm Action 4.

I don't think there will be a backlash if this turns out as the "good" shooting it appears to be.

Police shootings and the general level of violence among criminals have increased during the last few years (and of course the number of cops killed in the line of duty). People seem to get used to it. I don't really want to think about how things will turn out once we open our Eastern borders...

You have to bear in mind that we don't really have municipal police departments over here; instead we have local units and stations that are part of the respective state police. Therefore department policies are much less prone to be influenced by local papers and small-time politicians. Something like LAPD's Special Order 40 would be impossible over here.


Regards,

Trooper

 

[Langenator]

Was this Frankfurt am Main or Frankfurt an der Oder? I can't seem to remember where Hesse is.

 

[T.Stahl]

The Frankfurt in Hesse is Frankfurt on the Main, also known as "Mainhattan".
Frankfurt on the Oder is in Brandenburg.
Frankfurt/Main is in the Midwest. Frankfurt/Oder is far in the East, near the Polish border.

 

[TallPine]

How can this happen ....

I thought guns were strictly regulated in Germany ...?

So where could the men in the car have possibly gotten ahold of guns?

 

[trooper]

Well... they probably broke into a shooter's home and cracked his gun vault open which clearly shows that we need a new gun law to mandate that all guns must be stored at the gun club, and nobody could own anything above .22lr

It's all for the children...

<sigh>

It would be funny if it wasn't QUITE possible that someone will step up with those suggestions once again.

 

[trooper]

Joint press release of the Frankfurt District Attorney and the Hessian State Bureau of Investigations

Wiesbaden (ots) Shots fired at police officers during traffic stop

According to the current state of investigations two officers of the Frankfurt Police Department stopped a red Nissan Micra 1,2 LX with Friedberg license plates in the general vicinity of Miquelallee/corner Hansaallee on Jan, 27 at 22:00 h. During the traffic stop one of the suspects opened fire on the officers. Both officers returned fire.

Ten empty casings were found, eight of which belong to the officers' weapons and two of which belong to one of the two pistols the suspects were carrying. Ballistic tests are in progress. The injured police officer was shot through the shoulder and is now being treated at the hospital. His injury is not life-threatening.

The vehicle's driver died at the scene, his passenger later expired at the hospital. Both suspects are German nationals, age 22 and 31. The older man was a Frankfurt resident while the younger man had no permanent residence.

The confiscated weapons were one Ceska 75, cal. 9mm and one Tokarev clone, cal. 7,62 Tok. Both pistols had been carried cocked and locked by the suspects, instantly ready to fire.

Persons who might have witnessed the shooting are kindly requested to get in contact with the State Bureau of Investigations, tel. 0611/83-2020.

It is being investigated whether the suspects can be linked to other criminal acts. It is believed that one of the confiscated guns has been obtained during a robbery in Hesse.