LA police officer shot with assault rifle

[OH25shooter]

At least LA has the manpower and common sense to have cruisers with two officers. Many large cities only have one-man cruisers. This same situation with a lone officer would have probably been deadly. Along with two escaped perps who undoubtly would not have turned themselves in.

 

[benEzra]

The gun control laws apparently aren't working. And, I don't mean to side with California's laws. I'd love to buy an AK. But what would YOU do if you wanted to prevent crimes involved with assault weapons? I would love to hear your actual opinions.

Once again, I mean not to side with these laws but to ask if not these laws, then what?

Incidents like these aggravate me because they make honest gun enthusiasts, such as myself, miss out on all the fun you boys in TX and around the country are having

EvisceratorSrB,

All rifles combined account for less than 3% of homicides nationwide, per FBI stats:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/offense_tabulations/table_20-22.html

That figures includes all AR-15's, civvie AK-47 lookalikes, FAL's, SKS's, Winchester 94's, Remington M700's, .22's, everything. 2.8 percent.

Every year, many states report zero rifle homicides.

There is NO, repeat, NO rational reason to restrict civilian ownership of modern-looking rifles. The fact is, rifles of any description are very rarely used in crime, and anyone who claims otherwise is full of baloney.

 

[armoredman]

Also, look how many officers are shot ever year with thier own gun. Would it not then make San Fransico sense to disarm the police, to keep them from being shot? Of course not.
According to those in power, you are the problem, you and your inanimate objects, which you have not ever used to commit a crime, and will likely never use to commit a crime. You, not the scumbags who shoot police, innocent bystanders, and anyone else foolish enough to be with a 10 mile radius of thier homicidal rages. Not them....you.

 

[Erebus]

But what would YOU do if you wanted to prevent crimes involved with assault weapons?

Make sure that someone who does commit such a crime never sees the light of day again. You can ban anything you want the black market will fill the demand for anyone who is willing to break the law.

It's like stopping drunk driving by banning alcohol.

It's just like the gun "safe" zones at schools to prevent children from getting shot.

If someone is willing to commit a major offense does anyone think that lesser offenses will even give them pause?

 

[Zen21Tao]

But what would YOU do if you wanted to prevent crimes involved with assault weapons?

Here is a novel idea. Perhaps laws are not made to prevent crime but to punish offenses once they happen. Order is maintained in society not by the threat of punishment for crimes but by the application of punishment. Punishment separates criminals from the law abiding and, if severe enough, may serve as deterrence. Law abiding citizens respect societal laws whereas criminals don’t. The only answer for criminals is to put them away and not let them out. Simply put, it is not laws that deter crime but punishment.

 

[Davo]

Benezra, lets not concern ourselves with facts, Im more into "truthiness". You know what would have saved that cop...More gun control laws.

I just dry heaved.

 

[bobmeusel]

The battle for public opinion

I just looked at the statistics on the ULR posted above. Just understand, that the selective use of statistics can support or reject any contention. Remember, someone once said there are lies, damn lies and statistics. Lets do talk about gun control laws. If gun control laws worked then there should be a corolation between a certain level of restriction and a reduced level of crime. It's not there...... If it were the Progun control segment has been very quiet about it. Look at Tiawan. It has some of the most severe gun control laws in existance, but it's hand gun killing rate is greater than that of the US per capata. All these data points really show us is that crime is a product of culture. If you live in an area where the culture is one of lawlessness then guess what.

Why does the US have a high rate of lawlessness as compared to other great countries. Well, look at the rates of convictions for violent crimes in other great countries as compaired to the US. You'll see a big difference.

What we really need is strict manditory sentences for criminals; and criminal is the key word here, that are convicted of violent crimes. Lets punish the criminals not the law abiding citizens. America should be the land of the free not the home of bleeding hart librals who want to feel sorry for some poor underprivleged SOB who's not responsible for their own actions.

Beware my friends. Keep up to date on who these gun grabbers are and their latest tactics and the WE as defenders of OUR right to keep and bare arms will usually have the upper hand in the battle for public opinion.

Bob Meusel

 

[qlajlu]

I have always been of the opinion that politicians use gun control as a means of not dealing with more deep seeded societal problems, that are more difficult to deal with and more expensive.

First of all I would like some one to give me a solid, sterling coated definition of an "assault weapon!" From what I have read over the years, in The Republic of California any thing that goes "BANG" is an assault weapon. I agree that any fully automatic weapon has no particular use in civilian armament, but some other features that "contribute" to the definition are just hogwash.

Passing more gun control laws is nothing more than "feel good" legislation. I have to agree with Number 6's evaluation. Has more gun control laws eliminated the perceived problem? NO! Absolutely not, nor will it.

 

[Amish_Bill]

Of course more laws will fix the problem. I mean, look at how well other attempts to legislate morality have worked... We can start with that american marvel Prohibition.

 

[TriggerMan]

No amount of laws is going to stop someone who wants to break them and has no fear of serving time, most of the crime in this country can easily be solved, 1st- give strict heavy time to first offenders of violent crime, 2 offence is life, 2nd- make prison a feared place, bring back chain gangs and make all prisoners work all day 7 days a week, feed them just enough to live, if we need more prisons build them. And 3rd- this will get me some flak but since it seems most crime is committed by gangs who make money by selling heavy drugs and people stealing to get money to buy the drug they are hooked on we should legalize drugs to take the profit out of it, face it, the drug war has never worked and never will, let the government sell marijuana and take all profits and use them to build prisons and for drug treatment plans for the people that are hooked and can't get off.

 

[grislyatoms]

Don't they have those wonderful "assault rifle" bans in California designed to prevent such incidents?

 

[Chaotic Mind]

Aww crap! Great now the anti-2nd freaks in this state are going to go crazy and start hooting and yelling about how these guns are so dangerous and the rules on them can't be changed so us non-gangbanging citizens can own them! I was hoping that this crap might change soon. Wait! maybe the anti-2nders have a point! If regular citizens got these guns maybe we would all turn into gangbangers! I'm moving to AZ.

 

[Old Fuff]

Chaotic Mind:

I'm moving to AZ.

You'd be most welcome. We'll be glad to let you own any kind of rifle you want - even the EBR kind. No waiting period, no "restricted" list, and no state paperwork, just the Federal #4473 form.

Aint freedom wonderful???

 

[EvisceratorSrB]

That makes me want to move to AZ so bad. Oh well, after boot camp for me, security forces will let me fire rifles you guys will never DREAM of shooting