Policy Issue of gun control

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Hey everyone my name is Marnie and I was referred to this site by my boyfriend who is a member....Wasz. I was hoping someone may be able to help me out. I have been shooting for roughly a year, I've basically been trying anything that I can get my hands on. I've been given an assignment to do for grad school concerning a policy issue so of course I pick something that interests me...guns. Please note I am pro gun...I am not for gun control. My paper I have to do will talk about the problems that have led up to current legislation pushing for gun control, who the stakeholders of gun control are and possible alternatives. My question is does anyone know where I can locate accurate information? I am playing this paper up to talk about why we should not have gun control. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Marnie aka 22 girlie :)
 
www.guncite.com

Also, if you're on facebook, join the "Keep Your Laws Off My Guns" group and ask for help, we can refer you to several useful student paper-writing resource collections.
 
Welcome Marnie, glad to have you here. I'm not sure if this helps but you could mention the shootings on college campuses. Being from Virginia I'm more familiar with the VT shootings. You could compare their current no guns policy with the theory that if anyone else other than the shooter had a gun then maybe he would not have been able to kill so many. Combine that with what it takes to get a permit and how permit holders are the most law abiding and responsible folks around. Try to make a personal connection there. How would you like to go somewhere where your right to self defense and personal protection was denied sort of thing. State the police can't protect the individual according to the U.S. Supreme Court, and if they can't who can and will? Just a couple of ideas that I hope helps abit. Feel free to use and modify them any way you feel necessary.
 
who the stakeholders of gun control are

Criminals--Look up "Big Tim" Sullivan and the Sullivan Act. Gun control creates a safe working environment for criminals.

Racists--Look up the colonial Indian trade restrictions, ante bellum slave codes, the Dred Scott Supreme Court opinion, the Reconstruction anti-freedman laws of the South, Son of Ham laws, the 1968 Safe Streets Act (Kennedy's and Dodd's speeches to the Senate on urban rioting), D.C.'s or Chicago's handgun ban--all these laws were aimed at African-Americans and other non-whites.

Government--government has a vested interest in leaving its people helpless yet has no duty to protect people.
 
Welcome, Marnie. I think you've hit on an important topic:

who the stakeholders of gun control are

The gun control groups all allege that their major opponents are the "firearms industry," who has an agenda of selling more guns, regardless of the social consequences. They portray their motives as totally altruistic -- for the betterment of mankind. :scrutiny:

Perhaps you could delve more closely into the issue of gun control = social control. The anti-gunners are also notoriously anti-self-defense. What is the benefit to having the population helpless, and what are the possible consequences? If one is forced to rely on external forces (the gum'mit) exclusively for security, then would one not be so quick to criticize/disobey gov't policy?

Things that make you go, Hmmmm...... :scrutiny::scrutiny::scrutiny:
 
Thank you all for your replies on my paper topic. I really feel like this is an important topic and one that needs addressed.
 
The subject of people doing papers on guns/gun control seems to come up here every few months, so doing a search for "gun control" or "gun control paper" or something like that will probly also turn up a ton of info for you that might otherwise get missed, not mentioned, forgotten, etc in this thread.Not real sure what good search keyword would be to help filter out all the other stuff likely to come up, but hopefully you have better search-fu than me.
Just a thought.The Guncite link already givin is probly about the best sorce of info there is, so your off to a good start there.Also, if you do find some of the older threads on this topic, I'm sure if you sent out some PM's to the people who have written these papers before you would be more than happy to help you out with source of info they had used too.We are a very friendly and helpful bunch here.
 
I don't mean to be a dick, but with the Internet and sites like guncite.com at your fingertips, that's going to be a damn easy paper to write.

Colleges should do away with (or scale down) research papers and move to having students do documentaries or something of that magnitude. These types of papers are just too easy nowadays. I'm not sure if students learn much from the research paper process anymore.
 
How about the disconnect between the problem, which is violence in certain segments of society, and the proposed solution: a blanket ban on an inanimate object owned by a broad cross section of Americans. You could explore the astounding lack of proof of the efficacy of these solutions where it has been implemented and how this has failed to deter the proponents of gun control.
 
GOOGLE and search engines are your friends~~~

http://www.paxtonquigley.com/

BOOKS - Armed and Female, etc. by P.Q.

JOHN R. LOTT'S Books and Website.

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

More Guns - Less Crime

The Bias Against Guns, etc.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&....mozilla:en-US:official&hs=rkI&q=JOHN+R+LOTT&

Massad Ayoob

His books and columns.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/ayoob_index.html

http://www.ayoob.com/

ANYTHING by COLONEL JEFF COOPER

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper_(colonel)

http://www.guncite.com/

http://www.gunsite.com/

http://www.jeffcooperbooks.com/

http://www.jeffcooperbooks.com/leatherbound.htm

ALL of the pro gun organizations that are listed on this website and in search engines.

There are many other LINKS that will take you to real stories especially about ladies (Men too!) who were saved from rape, beatings and/or death because they decided to pack heat! LINKS will lead to links.

L. Neil Smith
Why did it have to be guns? That essay is outstanding!

http://www.lneilsmith.org/
http://www.lneilsmith.org/lns_lever.html

If you need any other information... I will try to help you. I used to write about this STUFF years ago on the internet, on some private and public old boards, in emails, etc.

Best wishes and welcome.

Sincerely,

Catherine - Armed and Female
 
PS - THIS says it all along with the SECOND!

http://www.lneilsmith.org/whyguns.html

Credit Given...

L. NEIL SMITH

Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?

by L. Neil Smith
[email protected]

Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.

People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician -- or political philosophy -- is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

Make no mistake: all politicians -- even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership -- hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician -- or political philosophy -- can be put.

If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.

If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.

What his attitude -- toward your ownership and use of weapons -- conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend -- the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights -- do you want to entrust him with anything?

If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil -- like "Constitutionalist" -- when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?

Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician -- or political philosophy -- is really made of.

He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun -- but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school -- or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway -- Prussian, maybe -- and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?

And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.

Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man -- and you're not -- what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?

On the other hand -- or the other party -- should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?

Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue -- health care, international trade -- all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.

And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.

But it isn't true, is it?

Permission to redistribute this article is herewith granted by the author -- provided that it is reproduced unedited, in its entirety, and appropriate credit given.

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Catherine
 
Catherine and everyone else thanks a lot for all the replies. And to whoever said it will be an easy paper, the paper is only the beginning there is also an oral briefing, executive summary, letter of transmittal and a presentation to my graduate class so it's a bit more challenging than one would think, on the count of our teacher is a policy analyst.

Thanks so much everyone!
 
I would think one of your problems will be to whittle the topic down to something manageable.

Now that I re-read you OP I can make a suggestion at to a topic that is comparatively constrained yet profound in its implications. Government claims there is a public good to restrictions on gun ownership and usage. That same government through the courts says in no uncertain terms government is not compelled to protect a citizen from harm. As a matter of consistent (sorry, just had to use the word) public policy, which is it? If government restricts the means of self defense does it not bear some responsibility for protection of its citizens. So how can it bear responsibility for protection when the court system says there is no compelling reason to do so. And if the courts absolve law enforcement of any responsibility to protect the citizens, how can the legislature strip those same citizens of the means of protecting themselves.

When the smoke clears please tell us where we can see the results.
 
Waitone wrote,
I would think one of your problems will be to whittle the topic down to something manageable.

Now that I re-read you OP I can make a suggestion at to a topic that is comparatively constrained yet profound in its implications. Government claims there is a public good to restrictions on gun ownership and usage. That same government through the courts says in no uncertain terms government is not compelled to protect a citizen from harm. As a matter of consistent (sorry, just had to use the word) public policy, which is it? If government restricts the means of self defense does it not bear some responsibility for protection of its citizens. So how can it bear responsibility for protection when the court system says there is no compelling reason to do so. And if the courts absolve law enforcement of any responsibility to protect the citizens, how can the legislature strip those same citizens of the means of protecting themselves.

When the smoke clears please tell us where we can see the results.

I like that approach.

If you're going to start citing case law, start at the top with the Supreme Court. The link in my sig line is a good starting point and comports with Waitone's suggestion.
 
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One area to look into that is a blackhole is the funding of antigun groups. Many of the "front groups" that pretend to be pro-gun are simply fronts paid for by anti-gun groups and individuals. You will find out rather quickly this is a smallish movement funded by social elitists who strive to keep the majority unarmed and subjeciated.

The NRA-ILA has tons of information, DoJ has tons of crime stats that are interesting. I wrote a few papers in college and when debated the anti's quickly devolved into ranting and scare tactics. The facts do not support them ever.

Here is the question the antigun crowd will never answer or explain. Why do they think it is easier to regulate 99.98% of the law abiding gun owners than to control the .0002% of gun owners that choose to commit crime with firearms?

That is my favorite factoid. Typically only .0002% of guns are ever used in crime and they are used by an equally tiny number of people and yet the focus is not on that tiny minority.
 
^Not to mention, that small percentage would not all be gun owners. In other words, some of the criminals are gun thieves, as opposed to gun owners (e.g., shooter in Omaha Mall mass shooting).
 
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