WardenWolf
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Got Lead, get some Marschal Grips (www.marschalgrips.com) and she'll be a lot more pleasant to shoot. It also makes your old milsurps look like a million bucks.
Polish P64 Review
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Wardenwold and MCgunner. This gun isnt "not dropsafe" like a pre series 80 1911 isnt dropsafe. As in if u drop it, it might put a hole in the floor. It's "not dropsafe" more like a Colt SA Army revolver isnt dropsafe. As in if you dropit on the hammer it can put a hole through your head. So yeah, people were carrying non dropsafe firearms for centuries, but they were adjusting manner of handling to suit the firearm.
Guy on the p64 forum dropped his from waist high and put a hole in his ceiling. Another guy wasnt as lucky and took a bullet through his arm.
Guy on the p64 forum dropped his from waist high and put a hole in his ceiling. Another guy wasnt as lucky and took a bullet through his arm.
WardenWolf
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They were carrying it by the holster and not the grip when it happened. Frankly, that's the crux of the problem: bad handling. They were carrying it in a way that allowed it to drop free and hit the floor. With a decent holster, these things aren't going anywhere once they're on your belt. But some peoples' safe handling thoughts stop when they take the gun off. Carry it by the grip, and lay it firmly on a flat surface, and you'll never have a problem.
fallout mike
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When I got mine I was expecting crazy recoil from what I had read. Was not the case at all. Just a little snappy. Just a bit more than my Bulgarian makarov.
WardenWolf
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I own both. They're both good guns. The Makarov is a lot more fun to shoot, and has a much nicer trigger (I love that smooth double action trigger pull). The P-64 just carries better, though. The P-64's recoil isn't crazy, just a little rude. Not fun to shoot more than a couple of mags with the stock grips, but once you upgrade the grips it's fine for three or four.
IMO, the crux of the problem was awareness. If either of them knew that the gun could discharge if dropped in this condition, I bet they wouldn't have intentionally left them loaded and unlocked. Most people assume a handgun with the hammer down is safe to handle, esp when the trigger pull is close to 50 lbs. Note that the gun could ND even if you dropped it secured in a holster. If you have a masters degree in not accidentally dropping things, I guess you have nothing to worry about.
My phone cost way more than this gun, and it's way more important to me. And I've dropped it dozens of times. I've dropped an unloaded gun twice. Once, I managed to let my CCW fall out of the holster onto the floor during a movie in a theater. (Noticed on the way back to the car, went back and recovered it! Whew!) No way I'm carrying a P64 with the safety off. Yeah, I'm a clutz, but so are most of us! Once I have a shooting grip on a handgun, I have an uncanny ability to keep my finger off the trigger and the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Yet, I still manage to drop things. Luckily, I got to live and learn how to carry in a more secure fashion. Someday, someone who does not have this info will only get the chance to learn.
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WardenWolf
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Well, if you can figure out a way to get my pistol to fall out when I'm wearing it other than me doing handstands, by all means. Considering I've been known to wear it all day, even at home, and have even occasionally slept with it and always had it remain holstered and on my side, I'm not worried. I've carried it for years this way, in the same holster, and I know how to keep it safe.
I always used the safety, it makes the gun drop safe and only adds a second on to the time it takes to deploy the gun if you need to.
To each his own. I have dropped a couple of guns in my day (including a striker fired Raven which to my amazement didn't go off) so I try to keep in mind the safety quirks of the gun I've got around at the time.
To each his own. I have dropped a couple of guns in my day (including a striker fired Raven which to my amazement didn't go off) so I try to keep in mind the safety quirks of the gun I've got around at the time.
fallout mike
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Wardenwolf, I concur, the makarov is more fun to shoot, feels better in your hand, and is extremely accurate. Both are great guns.
Gun Master
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I too am a fan of the P64 , and liked the bargain price . I got mine about a month ago , and love it , even in the present SAO state . I'm going to get Wolff springs next , then skip the original Mak , and go for the CZ-82 . Is DA OK in the stock CZ-82 ?
WardenWolf
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I'd respring the CZ-82. I fired my friend's CZ and the double action was okay. Not as nice as the Makarov, but okay. The CZ-82 is a much bulkier and heavier gun than the original Makarov due to its double stack magazines. I'm not a huge fan, personally. It just lacks a lot of the elegance of the Makarov.
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Gun Master
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I've been meaning to ask , can you get .380 ACP drop in barrels for the P-64 and/or CZ-82 ? The .380 chambers in my P-64 , but I understand there will probably be headspace problems , especially if fired often . Anybody have comments ?
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Polish P-64 Review
Thanks WardenWolf . I'm just trying to see if there is some " light " CC auto , suitable to replace my S&W Airweight Bodyguard .38 Special . It's better in your pocket , than in the drawer at home . Otherwise , I'd prefer a 1911 .
Thanks WardenWolf . I'm just trying to see if there is some " light " CC auto , suitable to replace my S&W Airweight Bodyguard .38 Special . It's better in your pocket , than in the drawer at home . Otherwise , I'd prefer a 1911 .
WardenWolf
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If you want a light gun in 9x18, check out the PA-63. It's a fine piece, and very nice-looking. It has an alloy frame, so the recoil is a little snappier than a Makarov or CZ-82, but it's not bad at all.
There are .380 barrels available for the Makarov and CZ-82. However, they are hardly "drop in". These guns use fixed barrels, pressed in with a pin. You can have a new barrel fitted to it, but it will require a gunsmith, and the new barrel won't fit quite as tightly due to the wear on the gun caused by changing it out, and the fact that it's no longer a factory match. The CZ-82 has a commercial version called the CZ-83. It was primarily chambered in .380. Their barrels are interchangeable, as are most other parts. However, if you want a .380 CZ or Mak, you're better off just buying one in .380.
As for shooting .380 in a 9x18 gun, yes, it will work in a pinch. However it's not particularly a good idea. The technical name for the .380 round is 9x17mm. The case is 1mm shorter. Shooting .380 in a 9x18 gun will result in additional leading and wear on the forward shoulder of the chamber. This buildup would eventually fix any headspace issues, though. Additionally, Western 9mm rounds are .357 in diameter. The 9x18mm round is actually .362. This is intentional, because the Soviets did not want the Allies to be able to use captured ammunition. As a result, .380 rounds would also suffer a loss in accuracy.
Bottom line: don't shoot .380 rounds in a 9x18 gun, unless it's an emergency. They'll feed and cycle, but it's not good for the gun, and it won't be accurate.
There are .380 barrels available for the Makarov and CZ-82. However, they are hardly "drop in". These guns use fixed barrels, pressed in with a pin. You can have a new barrel fitted to it, but it will require a gunsmith, and the new barrel won't fit quite as tightly due to the wear on the gun caused by changing it out, and the fact that it's no longer a factory match. The CZ-82 has a commercial version called the CZ-83. It was primarily chambered in .380. Their barrels are interchangeable, as are most other parts. However, if you want a .380 CZ or Mak, you're better off just buying one in .380.
As for shooting .380 in a 9x18 gun, yes, it will work in a pinch. However it's not particularly a good idea. The technical name for the .380 round is 9x17mm. The case is 1mm shorter. Shooting .380 in a 9x18 gun will result in additional leading and wear on the forward shoulder of the chamber. This buildup would eventually fix any headspace issues, though. Additionally, Western 9mm rounds are .357 in diameter. The 9x18mm round is actually .362. This is intentional, because the Soviets did not want the Allies to be able to use captured ammunition. As a result, .380 rounds would also suffer a loss in accuracy.
Bottom line: don't shoot .380 rounds in a 9x18 gun, unless it's an emergency. They'll feed and cycle, but it's not good for the gun, and it won't be accurate.
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