POLL: Are the police obligated to protect you by law?

Are the police legally obligated to protect you?

  • YES

    Votes: 33 8.9%
  • NO

    Votes: 339 91.1%

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It has come to my attention that many people have a misconception regarding this issue and that it is a fundamental concept at the heart of many folks position on the right to keep and bear arms.

Just wanted to see what the THR knows about the subject.

(hint for the google fans - there is a supreme court ruling on this topic)
 
Not in THIS country.

I believe that the police where I currently live WOULD protect me, IF they COULD. They of course CAN'T, so it's unreasonable to expect them to.

Then there's the Chicago Police Department...
 
The police protect the herd (society), but are not legally obligated to protect any particular sheep (individual citizens).

There was a case in Colorado Springs where a woman sued the police and lost, the ruling effectively said "the police are not there to protect you"
 
I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled that LE is not obligated to protect private citizens. From what I remember a woman was being beaten by her boyfriend/ex/spouse she called the DC police dept once or twice, they responded 8 or 9 hours later and the woman was dead. Her parents, (I think) filed a law suit and it went before the SC. Apparently the ruling defined LE function as protecting the "general public" not individual citizens.
It was about 1 or 2 years ago.
 
Warren v. DC

Law Enforcement has NO OBLIGATION to protect any person.

The Police: No Duty To Protect Individuals
(Warren v. D.C.)



The Court's Decision: Appellants Carolyn Warren, Miriam Douglas, and Joan Taliaferro in No. 79-6, and appellant Wilfred Nichol in No. 79-394 sued the District of Columbia and individual members of the Metropolitan Police Department for negligent failure to provide adequate police services. The respective trial judges held that the police were under no specific legal duty to provide protection to the individual appellants and dismissed the complaints for failure to state a claim upon which relief could be granted. Super.Ct.Civ.R. 12(b)(6). However, in a split decision a three-judge division of this court determined that appellants Warren, Taliaferro and Nichol were owed a special duty of care by the police department and reversed the trial court rulings.

The division unanimously concluded that appellant Douglas failed to fit within the class of persons to whom a special duty was owed, and affirmed the lower court's dismissal of her complaint. The court en banc, on petitions for rehearing, vacated the panel's decision. After rearguments, notwithstanding our sympathy for appellants who were the tragic victims of despicable criminal acts, we affirm the judgments of dismissal.

Appeal No. 79-6

The Gruesome Facts of the Case: In the early morning hours of March 16, 1975, appellants Carolyn Warren, Joan Taliaferro, and Miriam Douglas were asleep in their rooming house at 1112 Lamont Street, N.W. Warren and Taliaferro shared a room on the third floor of the house; Douglas shared a room on the second floor with her four-year-old daughter. The women were awakened by the sound of the back door being broken down by two men later identified as Marvin Kent and James Morse. The men entered Douglas' second floor room, where Kent forced Douglas to sodomize him and Morse raped her.

Warren and Taliaferro heard Douglas' screams from the floor below. Warren telephoned the police, told the officer on duty that the house was being burglarized, and requested immediate assistance. The department employee told her to remain quiet and assured her that police assistance would be dispatched promptly.

Warren's call was received at Metropolitan Police Department Headquarters at 6:23 a. m., and was recorded as a burglary in progress. At 6:26 a.m., a call was dispatched to officers on the street as a "Code 2" assignment, although calls of a crime in progress should be given priority and designated as "Code 1." Four police cruisers responded to the broadcast; three to the Lamont Street address and one to another address to investigate a possible suspect.

Meanwhile, Warren and Taliaferro crawled from their window onto an adjoining roof and waited for the police to arrive. While there, they saw one policeman drive through the alley behind their house and proceed to the front of the residence without stopping, leaning out the window, or getting out of the car to check the back entrance of the house. A second officer apparently knocked on the door in front of the residence, but left when he received no answer. The three officers departed the scene at 6:33 a.m., five minutes after they arrived.

Warren and Taliaferro crawled back inside their room. They again heard Douglas' continuing screams; again called the police; told the officer that the intruders had entered the home, and requested immediate assistance. Once again, a police officer assured them that help was on the way. This second call was received at 6:42 a. m. and recorded merely as "investigate the trouble" -- it was never dispatched to any police officers.

Believing the police might be in the house, Warren and Taliaferro called down to Douglas, thereby alerting Kent to their presence. Kent and Morse then forced all three women, at knifepoint, to accompany them to Kent's apartment. For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of Kent and Morse.

Appellants' claims of negligence included: the dispatcher's failure to forward the 6:23 a.m. call with the proper degree of urgency; the responding officers' failure to follow standard police investigative procedures, specifically their failure to check the rear entrance and position themselves properly near the doors and windows to ascertain whether there was any activity inside; and the dispatcher's failure to dispatch the 6:42 a. m. call.

Appeal No. 79-394

No Duty to Protect: On April 30, 1978, at approximately 11:30 p.m., appellant Nichol stopped his car for a red light at the intersection of Missouri Avenue and Sixteenth Street, N.W. Unknown occupants in a vehicle directly behind appellant struck his car in the rear several times, and then proceeded to beat appellant about the face and head breaking his jaw.

A Metropolitan Police Department officer arrived at the scene. In response to the officer's direction, appellant's companion ceased any further efforts to obtain identification information of the assailants. When the officer then failed to get the information, leaving Nichol unable to institute legal action against his assailants, Nichol brought a negligence action against the officer, the Metropolitan Police Department and the District of Columbia.

The trial judges correctly dismissed both complaints. In a carefully reasoned Memorandum Opinion, Judge Hannon based his decision in No. 79-6 on "the fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen." See p. 4, infra. The duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists. Holding that no special relationship existed between the police and appellants in No. 79-6, Judge Hannon concluded that no specific legal duty existed. We hold that Judge Hannon was correct and adopt the relevant portions of his opinion. Those portions appear in the following Appendix.[fn1]

Judge Pryor, then of the trial court, ruled likewise in No. 79-394 on the basis of Judge Hannon's opinion. In No. 79-394, a police officer directed Nichol's companion to cease efforts to identify the assailants and thus to break off the violent confrontation. The officer's duty to get that identification was one directly related to his official and general duty to investigate the offenses. His actions and failings were solely related to his duty to the public generally and possessed no additional element necessary to create an overriding special relationship and duty.[fn2]

Here the effort to separate the hostile assailants from the victims -- a necessary part of the on-scene responsibility of the police -- adds nothing to the general duty owed the public and fails to create a relationship which imposes a special legal duty such as that created when there is a course of conduct, special knowledge of possible harm, or the actual use of individuals in the investigation. See Falco v. City of New York, 34 A.D.2d 673, 310 N.Y.S.2d 524 (App. Div. 1970), aff'd, 29 N.Y.2d 918, 329 N.Y.S.2d 97, 279 N.E.2d 854 (1972) (police officer's Page 4 statement to injured motorcyclist that he would obtain name of motorist who struck the motorcycle was a gratuitous promise and did not create a special legal duty); Jackson v. Heyman, 126 N.J. Super. 281, 314 A.2d 82 (Super.Ct.Law Div. 1973) (police officers' investigation of vehicle accident where pedestrian was a minor child did not create a special legal duty to child's parents who were unsuccessful in their attempt to recover damages because police failed to identify drivers of vehicle). We hold that Judge Pryor did not err in dismissing No. 79-394 for failure to state a claim.

In either case, it is easy to condemn the failings of the police. However, the desire for condemnation cannot satisfy the need for a special relationship out of which a duty to specific persons arises. In neither of these cases has a relationship been alleged beyond that found in general police responses to crimes. Civil liability fails as a matter of law.

One of the basic themes of gun control is that only the police and military should have handguns or any type of firearm. I cannot explain their rationale, other than to say that gun control proponents must believe that the police exist to protect the citizenry from victimization. But in light of court decisions we find such is not the case. You have no right to expect the police to protect you from crime. Incredible as it may seem, the courts have ruled that the police are not obligated to even respond to your calls for help, even in life threatening situations!. To be fair to our men in blue, I think most officers really do want to save lives and stop dangerous situations before people get hurt. But the key point to remember is that they are under no legal obligation to do so.


Case Histories
Ruth Brunell called the police on 20 different occasions to plead for protection from her husband. He was arrested only one time. One evening Mr. Brunell telephoned his wife and told her he was coming over to kill her. When she called the police, they refused her request that they come to protect her. They told her to call back when he got there. Mr. Brunell stabbed his wife to death before she could call the police to tell them that he was there. The court held that the San Jose police were not liable for ignoring Mrs. Brunell's pleas for help. Hartzler v. City of San Jose, 46 Cal. App. 3d 6 (1st Dist. 1975).
[Those of you in the Silicon Valley, please note what city this happened in!]

Consider the case of Linda Riss, in which a young woman telephoned the police and begged for help because her ex-boyfriend had repeatedly threatened "If I can't have you no one else will have you, and when I get through with you, no-one else will want you." The day after she had pleaded for police protection, the ex-boyfriend threw lye in her face, blinding her in one eye, severely damaging the other, and permanently scarring her features. "What makes the City's position particularly difficult to understand," wrote a dissenting opinion in her tort suit against the City, "is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus, by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of New York which now denies all responsibility to her." Riss v. New York, 240 N.E.2d 860 (N.Y. 1968). [Note: Linda Riss obeyed the law, yet the law prevented her from arming herself in self-defense.]

Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: ``For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers.'' The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a ``fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.'' Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981). The seminal case establishing the general rule that police have no duty under federal law to protect citizens is DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (109 S.Ct. 998, 1989). Frequently these cases are based on an alleged ``special relationship'' between the injured party and the police. In DeShaney the injured party was a boy who was beaten and permanently injured by his father. He claimed a special relationship existed because local officials knew he was being abused, indeed they had ``specifically proclaimed by word and deed [their] intention to protect him against that danger,'' but failed to remove him from his father's custody. ("Domestic Violence -- When Do Police Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect?'' Special Agent Daniel L. Schofield, S.J.D., FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, January, 1991.)

The Court in DeShaney held that no duty arose because of a "special relationship,'' concluding that Constitutional duties of care and protection only exist as to certain individuals, such as incarcerated prisoners, involuntarily committed mental patients and others restrained against their will and therefore unable to protect themselves. ``The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf.'' (DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 109 S.Ct. 998 (1989) at 1006.)
About a year later, the United States Court of Appeals interpreted DeShaney in the California case of Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department. (901 F.2d 696 9th Cir. 1990) Ms. Balistreri, beaten and harassed by her estranged husband, alleged a "special relationship'' existed between her and the Pacifica Police Department, to wit, they were duty-bound to protect her because there was a restraining order against her husband. The Court of Appeals, however, concluded that DeShaney limited the circumstances that would give rise to a "special relationship'' to instances of custody. Because no such custody existed in Balistreri, the Pacifica Police had no duty to protect her, so when they failed to do so and she was injured they were not liable.
A citizen injured because the police failed to protect her can only sue the State or local government in federal court if one of their officials violated a federal statutory or Constitutional right, and can only win such a suit if a "special relationship'' can be shown to have existed, which DeShaney and its progeny make it very difficult to do. Moreover, Zinermon v. Burch (110 S.Ct. 975, 984 1990) very likely precludes Section 1983 liability for police agencies in these types of cases if there is a potential remedy via a State tort action.

Many states, however, have specifically precluded such claims, barring lawsuits against State or local officials for failure to protect, by enacting statutes such as California's Government Code, Sections 821, 845, and 846 which state, in part: "Neither a public entity or a public employee [may be sued] for failure to provide adequate police protection or service, failure to prevent the commission of crimes and failure to apprehend criminals.''
In other words this means the only people the police are duty-bound to protect are criminals in custody, and other persons in custody for such things as mental disorders. YOU have no recourse if the police fail to respond or fail to protect you from injury!
 
What I find interesting is that, as of this post, two people indeed voted in the affirmative. I'd be very curious to know why they did so and on what basis.

Not everyone on THR is a US Citizen. It's possible the law is different elsewhere. The poll didn't specify.

Or there really might be people that clueless LOL
 
What I find interesting is that, as of this post, two people indeed voted in the affirmative. I'd be very curious to know why they did so and on what basis.
Maybe they're either confidential informants or in police custody, two of a VERY few exceptions to the general absence of police duty to protect individuals.
 
Legally, we are not. Morally, ethically I believe that we are.

I believe that the vast majority of those in the LE field care enough to try to do their level best when they have the opportunity. I know that I do and have.
 
Legally, we are not. Morally, ethically I believe that we are.

Hey most of us only want to be able to defend ourselves but the law prevents me from it and goes a step further to punish me for it.
 
Anybody that answers in the affirmative is quite naive.

Or incredibly sophisticated enough to know that for every rule there are some limited exceptions.:neener:

Under some exceptional circumstances there have been a handful of cases which have imposed liability upon the police for failure to protect. None that I know of has arisen where Joe Citizen calls the police out of the blue asking for help. Where it has happened is in the situation where a restraining order has been issued and the police are familiar with the circumstances of the restraining order and fail to respond in a reasonable manner...
 
Where it has happened is in the situation where a restraining order has been issued and the police are familiar with the circumstances of the restraining order and fail to respond in a reasonable manner...

I don't think that even rises to the level. Look up Castle Rock v. Gonzales
 
"Are the Police legally obligated to protect me?" ???? Is that supposed to be funny? :D
It always gives me a good chuckle when I see that "To Protect and Serve" on the side of a Police car. What it should read is: "To Enforce the Law."
Sure, SOME cops take their job seriously and would risk their lives for you in a heartbeat. Would I bet my life on the fact that one would when I need protection? Hell no. :scrutiny: That's what my training and the .45 on my hip id for. :D
 
Well, the poll isn't really an opinion since legalities are legalities and really aren't up for debate except in a court of law.

At any rate, I can't say I disagree. Police really should not be under any obligation to protect to. To put them under that obligation doesn't make any sense. To do so would be making the responding officer and department personally responsible for whatever happens to the person - sort of like if the President's personal Secret Service agent decided to watch a football game instead of stopping the assassin behind him. In this case, the agent has an obligation to protect the President as that is his/her job.

The police have no such obligation. Their job is technically to enforce the law. This means arresting people who break that law. It doesn't mean protecting other people from lawbreakers, although ethically, that is what the police do.

Any decent policeman will do whatever they can to protect you in a case like this - but since there's no way they can be there instantly, or even if they are, know what the situation is immediately, it just isn't reasonable to give them that legal obligation.

They will try to protect you, but if they are simply unable to do so, then it makes no sense to punish them. However, in cases of gross negligence like the above story, punishment would be very appropriate.

Put it this way: there are threats that are bigger than any of us that we need people to protect us from. Terrorist attack, aggression by another country, etc. We cannot effectively protect ourselves from that. But for someone breaking into our house, for example, we should have the tools and legal ability to do so.

Protect yourself.
 
``The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf.'' (DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 109 S.Ct. 998 (1989) at 1006.)

Maybe a sharp lawyer could argue that restrictive gun control laws are a ``limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf.''

If you can't own a gun and the police don't have to protect you but will arrest you for having a gun its no wonder crime is rampant in places with strict gun control.
 
I don't think that even rises to the level.

The "handfull" of cases where this arises usually follows this fact pattern:

Police respond to the scene of a reported domestic disturbance. The police discover that one of the combatants is subject to an outstanding retraining order obtained by the other combatant. In lieu of enforcing the restraining order, the police talk to the person who is violating the order, are convinced that s/he will cease and leave the scence, so they depart. The miscreant then kills the other party.

I read one such case with particular interest due to the fact that the court seemed to be pissed that the police ignored the restraining order that had been issued by the court. Hell hath no fury than a court ignored.
 
I work with a lot of LEO's at the range. Believe it or not they are just regular normal people like everyone else. The difference between "us" is they get to work with more scumbags then "us" 24 hrs a day 365 days a year. 90% of their job is reactive,(responding to an incident after it happens). Response time, around here anyway, is about 13 minutes, a lot can happen in that time.
In Ohio prior to the Castle Doctrine" being passed last September, allowed criminals to enter your house rob and steal your stuff. If you stop them by shooting them or any other form of self defense the homeowner may have been justified and no charges filed. The victim can and is sued in civil court either by the criminal in prison or if you kill them the criminals family sues. This happened all the time.
 
There is a website with a list of all the state court and federal district court decisions which essentially say the same thing as Warren.

As near as I can tell, the legal obligation of a police department is to maintain peace and order in a community.

Apparently, any legal obligation for protection of an individual has to do with proximity and an individual LEO's observation of an act.
 
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