Polymer wars: Choose your weapon!
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tdperry30
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hated the first gen.glock i was always a 1911 man . however when the third gen. came out i tried glock again and they just fit .i now own the 23,27,30,35 and soon a 21 when more folks switch to the s.f. and start selling the 21 's off.
emann
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Glock. Why? Easy. They're by far the best. Put the M&P or the XD on this poll and it would make no difference, other then a few less votes For H&K and Sig.
MT GUNNY
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cuz of choices i voted glock However if S&W M&P was there I would have picked it instead
I love people that can't see past their bias of a particular brand, it means one less person competing against me when I go looking for new guns.
I've shot the M&P 45, the XD 45, the Glock 21SF, and own a USP 45. They all pretty much shoot the same accuracy wise, I prefer the feel of the XD 45 and the USP 45, and I prefer for the USP's trigger. But in a gun fight I could easily use all four of the listed guns along with 1911's.
WarMachine
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I'd never pay the price HK charges for their guns. I voted Glock since it serves me well in both self-defense and competition.
Anything past 500 dollars, and I'll look at all metal. No reason in particular; just personal preference.
Anything past 500 dollars, and I'll look at all metal. No reason in particular; just personal preference.
nero45acp
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Rokman
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Three Glocks and an XD45 for me.
Babalouie
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How ridiculous...nothing worth voting for...for all the reason already stated. M&P, Px4, XD and then anything else long before a Glock, eeewww I typed the word, gets my vote
LeonCarr
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Do a search on username LeonCarr and subject Glock, and see all the stuff that comes up 
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I have owned or shot just about all of them, and the Glock is easily the most reliable and best fitting semi-auto I have owned.
I know the VP-70 was the first, but not the most successful. Once the Glock came out, everybody and their Uncle came out with a polymer frame pistol.
I will say it again. Everything else is just a copy.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
.I have owned or shot just about all of them, and the Glock is easily the most reliable and best fitting semi-auto I have owned.
I know the VP-70 was the first, but not the most successful. Once the Glock came out, everybody and their Uncle came out with a polymer frame pistol.
I will say it again. Everything else is just a copy.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Bazooka Joe71
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Its amazing how many glock fanboys there are on here!
ugaarguy
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So FN copied Glock's replaceable frame rails? That's right Glocks don't have replaceable frame rails.
Walther, FN, S&W, and SIG amongst others copied Glock's changeable backstraps or grips? No, once again Glock doesn't have changeable backstrap or grip options.
Springfield Armory copied Glock's grip safety too right? Ohh wait, Glocks don't have a grip safety. And Taurus, HK, and Ruger copied Glock's manual frame or slide mounted safeties too? Nope, Glocks don't have any external safety.
Walther and S&W copied Glock by allowing for takedown of a striker fired pistol without pulling the trigger too? Nope, you've still got to pull the trigger to take down a Glock.
FN, HK, Walther, S&W, Ruger, and others copied Glock by offering ambi or reconfigurable mag catches too right? Nope the G21SF copies these other designs by offering an ambi mag catch.
Ruger, SIG, FN, and HK copied Glock's hammer & firing pin design right? No, Glocks have a striker.
SIG's DAK, HK's LEM, Walther's AS, and Taurus' SA/DA are copies of Glock with their restrike capability right? No, Glocks don't have restrike capability.
Kahr copied Glock by offering a singlestack poly frame pistol right? No the Glock 36 is a copy of the Kahr pistols.
Springfield copied Glock by offering a .45 ACP chambered pistol that's barely larger than their 9mm/40 S&W/357 SIG chambered guns as well right? Actually the G21SF is where GLOCK COPIED SPRINGFIELD - poorly I might add as even the SF is huge - after they saw that their 45 GAP "solution" was a commercial whimper rather than a bang.
I could go on, but it's late. Now, please explain to me how these unique features - many of which Glock's latest pistol the G21SF copy - equate to "everything else" being just a copy as you say. The facts disprove your ignorant assertation.
WarMachine
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Repeating a fallacy does nothing to make it any more true. I would take the time to argue your flawed logic, but I'd rather debate the facts; something this thread is growing more and more devoid of...
The Glock was not some revolutionary invention that changed the world of handgun design. Its success is unquestionable and its a damned fine firearm; however, many of the Glock's features were implemented before it went into production. I'm not saying anything to detract from it all, but let's get real here people.
Too bad the Glock copied the action from the 1911.
Glock simply took good technology, and brought it together in a good package, it's not original, it's not perfection (how can it be perfection with 4 frame generations, and numerous internal changes).
You claim it's the best fitting pistol? To who? Glock's don't point well for me, give me an XD, Hk or a 1911 they all point much better for me.
Ops Officer
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I voted for Hk. I only have two polymer guns: an XD45 Tactical and an Hk USP45 Expert. Though the XD is absolutely reliable, the Hk is far, far more accurate as well as reliable.
jayrod1980
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Guy on the first page mentioned the FN guns... coincidently my first guns. Would have to say the FN FiveseveN is my fave... and a good looker too. Love my Kahr P45 but never fired any other Kahr. Own an FNP-40 thats pretty nice but ugly as hell. Have yet to buy an HK, Sig, or Glock. Next gun will be a Glock G20... supposedly the best 10mm gun money can buy. Kinda thick gun, but I have just big enough hands for the grip.
I have a question... not to flame but what is so attractive about HK guns?
I have a question... not to flame but what is so attractive about HK guns?
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Princi
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The thing I find most attractive about my H&K is the holes in the target. Although it has a DA/SA trigger, when shooting it in SA mode I find it as accurate as some of my higher dollar pistols (Wilson, Sig).
I contribute my accuracy to the excellent trigger.
Incidentally, ugaarguy, that was a great post (with perhaps the exception of the last sentence). I hope your blood-pressure has returned to normal.
The thing I find most attractive about my H&K is the holes in the target. Although it has a DA/SA trigger, when shooting it in SA mode I find it as accurate as some of my higher dollar pistols (Wilson, Sig).
I contribute my accuracy to the excellent trigger.
Incidentally, ugaarguy, that was a great post (with perhaps the exception of the last sentence). I hope your blood-pressure has returned to normal.
ojibweindian
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None of the above.
I tried Glock 17, 22, 35..... bought a Steyr M40A1. No regrets
I have only emptied one mag of a Sig once and have never used an HK, so I cannot comment on them. I did once own an XD .45 5"- though a solid and reliable pistol, I could never adjust to the ergonomics and its top heavy nature.
I have only emptied one mag of a Sig once and have never used an HK, so I cannot comment on them. I did once own an XD .45 5"- though a solid and reliable pistol, I could never adjust to the ergonomics and its top heavy nature.
LeonCarr
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As far as the mechanical features of the Glock go, most of it was derived from other designs, that is true. When I say everything else is just a copy, it was the first successful polymer framed handgun, and because of that just about every major manufacturer offers a polymer framed handgun. The HK folks can say the VP-70 was first, but if it was all that and a bucket of KFC then 65% of law enforcement officers, and a buttload of civilians, would be carrying the VP-70.
YMMV, but the third generation Glocks with the finger grooves fit my hand perfectly. Different strokes for different folks.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
YMMV, but the third generation Glocks with the finger grooves fit my hand perfectly. Different strokes for different folks.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
The 1911 was the first successful semi-automatic handgun, would that make the Glock (and most handguns except the Berreta Px4) a copy of the 1911?
Calling all the polymers on the market a copy of Glocks is asinine and flame bait. A USP and most other polymers on the market are no more a copies of a Glock then the Glock is a copy of the 1911.
Also I think the 65% number is probably off, I am pretty sure that the number actually represents 65% of law enforcement agencies either issue Glock's or allow their officers to carry them if they choose to. Quite a few departments allow their officers to choose their weapon from a list of allowed weapons or actions.
Calling all the polymers on the market a copy of Glocks is asinine and flame bait. A USP and most other polymers on the market are no more a copies of a Glock then the Glock is a copy of the 1911.
Also I think the 65% number is probably off, I am pretty sure that the number actually represents 65% of law enforcement agencies either issue Glock's or allow their officers to carry them if they choose to. Quite a few departments allow their officers to choose their weapon from a list of allowed weapons or actions.
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