Brian Dale
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No need, my friend. That's one more M1 still on the market for us to buy.SSN Vet said:
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Poor Guy...
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well, it definitely was not the gun's fault, but unless the ammo maker has some kind of clause like 'WARNING: this may **** up your gun and blow your face off.', then I'd say that the ammo maker is responsible for at least giving him the money for a new gun. Hopefully the guy learns that reloads are a 'gotta-do-it-yourself-to-do-it-right' kind of thing.
But, sheesh... That is really scary. I know that gunpowder is very potent, powerful stuff, especially when put to pressure, but dear god...
But, sheesh... That is really scary. I know that gunpowder is very potent, powerful stuff, especially when put to pressure, but dear god...
MTMilitiaman
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I'll proudly drink my M1 Kool Aid. It's the best around.
All gas operated rifles are going to require port pressures, burn rates, and such to be within specific operating parameters.
We all know for example, what happened when the wrong type of powder was used in the M16 rifle.
The delayed roller lock system used by the HK G3 also depends on recoil impulses falling within certain parameters.
And the Kalashnikov, as much as I love it, isn't accurate enough to warrant reloading.
Now if that means never reloading for an M1/M14 or an AR, fine. But of course, those are the only semi-autos consistently accurate enough to deserve the attention.
Millions of reloaded rounds are fired through these platforms annually without incident. But precautions must be taken. This is true of everything you reload for, but more so with semi-autos--all of which are going to be more susceptible to slight differences in peak and port pressures, burn rates, and cleanliness, as well as external dimensions, than the average manually operated rifle. If these are measures you are unwilling or unable to take, the most certainly you shouldn't reload for your semi-auto. Being an amateur reloader myself, I have already accepted that I need much more practice loading before I am willing to try my hand loading for my M1A. I love that rifle too much, to say nothing of my hands and face, so the associated risks aren't worth it for me. Keeping the rifle in one piece is worth a couple extra cents a round in my case.
All gas operated rifles are going to require port pressures, burn rates, and such to be within specific operating parameters.
We all know for example, what happened when the wrong type of powder was used in the M16 rifle.
The delayed roller lock system used by the HK G3 also depends on recoil impulses falling within certain parameters.
And the Kalashnikov, as much as I love it, isn't accurate enough to warrant reloading.
Now if that means never reloading for an M1/M14 or an AR, fine. But of course, those are the only semi-autos consistently accurate enough to deserve the attention.
Millions of reloaded rounds are fired through these platforms annually without incident. But precautions must be taken. This is true of everything you reload for, but more so with semi-autos--all of which are going to be more susceptible to slight differences in peak and port pressures, burn rates, and cleanliness, as well as external dimensions, than the average manually operated rifle. If these are measures you are unwilling or unable to take, the most certainly you shouldn't reload for your semi-auto. Being an amateur reloader myself, I have already accepted that I need much more practice loading before I am willing to try my hand loading for my M1A. I love that rifle too much, to say nothing of my hands and face, so the associated risks aren't worth it for me. Keeping the rifle in one piece is worth a couple extra cents a round in my case.
esmith
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If the dealer was selling handloads out of some plastic bag labeled, "30-06" lets say, under the table or not at his place of business than im going to blame the Garand owner.
However, just because it is on a store shelf doesn't mean you don't have an element of risk involved. One should know better.
On this box of Mountaineer Custom Cartridge Reloads .45 ACP i have in front of me it has a warning right on the front that reads; "Mountaineer loads are to be used in modern firearms for calibers on box. Loads are within SAAMI specs. Buyer assumes all risk, liability, and responsibility for safe handling."
If i use these loads in a pistol not designed to handle these pressures, should the company be liable?
However, just because it is on a store shelf doesn't mean you don't have an element of risk involved. One should know better.
On this box of Mountaineer Custom Cartridge Reloads .45 ACP i have in front of me it has a warning right on the front that reads; "Mountaineer loads are to be used in modern firearms for calibers on box. Loads are within SAAMI specs. Buyer assumes all risk, liability, and responsibility for safe handling."
If i use these loads in a pistol not designed to handle these pressures, should the company be liable?
jaholder1971
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No, but that's not the issue here.
A malfunctioning rifle would not have done what his rifle did. even if it was an out of battery firing this kind of damage wouldn't have been seen. This is the kind of damage you see when pistol powder gets loaded in a .30/06 case instead of rifle powder.
Ammo loaded to SAAMI spec wouldn't have done this,either.
If it's ammo sold by a dealer then it's commercially made ammo. If the dealer can't tell you who made the stuff then he's on the hook.
Jamyatunes
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Wow. I didn't know this was even possible, but now I'm really glad I passed on that "great deal" I was offered a while back . . .
When I bought my Barrett Model 99, I asked the gun store owner if he had any boxes of ammo. He said he could sell me a box of 100 rounds for $300, but they were reloads and he didn't know how I'd fell about that. I thought about it for a minute, and decided that if I could pay 4k for a rifle, I'd be better off just paying $4.25-$5.00 per round for something new than paying $3 per round for something I couldn't be sure of.
When I bought my Barrett Model 99, I asked the gun store owner if he had any boxes of ammo. He said he could sell me a box of 100 rounds for $300, but they were reloads and he didn't know how I'd fell about that. I thought about it for a minute, and decided that if I could pay 4k for a rifle, I'd be better off just paying $4.25-$5.00 per round for something new than paying $3 per round for something I couldn't be sure of.
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