Possible changes to Georgia carry laws... 2 different permits?

[Balrog]

Georgia presently has a carry permit system that requires no training to get the permit.

As part of a carry reform bill, it has been proposed that Georgia actually offer two permits: One is the same no-training-required permit, and the other is being touted as an "enhanced" permit which would require training. The idea is that other states that have training requirements might allow Georgians to have reciprocity if they have the "enhanced" permit.

This seems kind of complicated to me. Do any other states have a two tier system when it comes to carry permits?

 

[esquare]

They should just adopt Constitutional Carry and then require training for the permit. Sounds easy enough to me.

 

[dovedescending]

yah, i'd like that.

 

[esquare]

Well, someone in GA needs to get a hold of the legislator and suggest that. I meant it as a bit of a joke, but in all honesty, I think in this environment, it's worth a shot in every state.

 

[Mike J]

It's too late to try this year. Maybe next year. I just hope we keep gaining ground.

 

[wishin]

I suppose that's a good idea if you travel to a lot of different States and want the ability to CCW maximized. Only about half of the States honor Georgia's GFL.

 

[sonier]

i like the idea actually, allows people to do just georgia carry no training fee, but if you want to carry out of state you will need training sounds simple, if you think its complicated read colorado hunting regulations, btw lived in georgia for 15 years.

 

[JR47]

While the idea of training is appealing to some, who controls what, how much, how long, and how pricey that "training" is? Why, the government, that's who. They COULD require something like a week long course at Thunder Ranch, taught by specific instructors, and then, limit you to the gun you used in the "class".

Maryland requires a standardized "class" prior to purchasing a handgun. It turns out that it's a movie, with no test, and very little information. However, you have to FIND one!

Don't think that "training" is a good thing in the hands of your politicians.

 

[editingfx]

We need training to enable our Constitutional rights? I must have missed the line in the Constitution where it says ".... to keep and bear arms, after an NRA-approved, government-stamped training session...."

 

[stickhauler]

The blueprint for most states that require training is the NRA Basic Pistol Course and, in most cases, range time to demonstrate the ability to safely use a firearm. Most politicians have no idea what should be required to demonstrate safe use of a firearm, they are smart enough to resort to a group that has a long history of firearm training for the best part.

Matter of fact, Texas limits concealed carry to a revolver if that's what's used for their course, if you use a semi-auto in the class, carrying either is fine. Or at least that was their law the last I knew.

I think you need to consider the fact that not all who opt to get a permit to carry have experience in firearms at all. I personally feel a little better about these folks carrying after they at least get basic instruction. Not everyone grew up with guns, not everyone served in the military. Personally, I believe if you can demonstrate experience with guns in your past, you should be able to waiver a training requirement. But, as I said, not everyone has that background, crafting a "one size fits all" training requirement means some folks are going to be forced to go through a class they feel is a total waste of time.

And editingFX, you may also notice that Constitution is the document the Federal government has to go by, not your particular state law on guns. Hopefully, after June that changes, but until then, their sand box, their rules. If we want to play, we have to follow them.

I hope Georgia changes their law, if they add training maybe my Ohio permit will be accepted there as well, and Georgia's will be accepted in Ohio.

 

[Buck Snort]

We need training to enable our Constitutional rights? I must have missed the line in the Constitution where it says ".... to keep and bear arms, after an NRA-approved, government-stamped training session...."

Political realities man, political realities. It ain't pretty, it ain't fun, its just political realities.

 

[hirundo82]

Do any other states have a two tier system when it comes to carry permits?

North Dakota has a two-tier permit system, with only one requiring classroom instruction and a proficiency test. I believe this was just put into effect in the past couple of years for the purposes of expanding their reciprocity opportunities.

 

[Mike J]

I would like it if they did implement the 2 tier system in GA if it would increase reciprocity for the one with training. Especially if hunter education were considered training (I think that was what they were trying to go for).

 

[editingfx]

that Constitution is the document the Federal government has to go by, not your particular state law on guns

And there's the biggest rub - the fact that States are allowed to alter what is a CONSTITUTIONAL right.

 

[phorvick]

North Dakota has a two-tier permit system, with only one requiring classroom instruction and a proficiency test. I believe this was just put into effect in the past couple of years for the purposes of expanding their reciprocity opportunities.

I am a ND Class 1 and Class 2 Instructor. I refuse to do the Class 1 (enhanced) permit any more. States that used to honor the ND permit now are backtracking and honoring only the new one. The shooting exercise is ridiculously hard. If you are age enhanced, AARP eligible, there is about a 50% chance you will fail it the first time. It is a complete fiasco. Further, the ND BCI set the new standards without input from a single instructor, they mandate a specific Power Point, and essentially make no accomodation for people that are not able to kneel and shoot from 45'. ND fixed a problem that did not exist, made it much more difficult to obtain.

There are a number of other aministrative rules that they implemented also, again making the process very user unfriendly. I would be very wary of ulterior motivation. ND is very carry unfriendly, with the process difficult now, absurd limitations on where you can carry. Not at all a gun friendly (for those wanting to legally protect themselves.)

 

[Mountie855]

Disclaimer: I completely support the 2nd Amendment and all constitutional rights.

Having said that, there are folks who need at least basic firearms training. One of several such examples I saw during my LE days:

At the metal detector in a our bldg, I saw a fully loaded, round chambered, safety off, 25ACP semiauto removed from the purse of an elderly lady. No holster, just dropped in with keys, wallet, etc!

Would you want to be next to this person while she rummaged thru her purse for change? God bless her for being prepared, but she (and others nearby) would certainly benefit from some basic training. It might also help her hit her intended target should the need the weapon to defend herself.

Many organizations are willing to provide instruction at little or no expense (perhaps other than ammo and range fees)....this would also take some of the wind from the antis' "dangerous" rhetoric.

Free or affordable training should be available, IMO, for those unable to show adequate firearms safe handling knowledge.

 

[earlthegoat2]

I am perfectly happy with the current GFL. The big bugger is that South Carolina does not honor it and it is the only border state that does not. I am not near SC but if I was I would be less than happy. If a new permit comes into play that SC will reciprocate on then I am all for it.

Right now it is in the specualtive stage and no one is going to know about SC until everything has already passed. If SC does not then it will be a big waste of time. SC is notoriously picky about reciprocity so I am not holding my breath.

 

[ilbob]

This seems kind of complicated to me. Do any other states have a two tier system when it comes to carry permits?

Most states do have a 2 tiered system. Certain government employees can carry with near impunity while the rest of us either cannot carry at all or are severely restricted as to when, how, and where we can carry.

 

[smince]

Alabama (no training requirement) has reciprocity with one less state than GA.

Doesn't concern me in the least.

 

[Hunt480]

Georgia presently has a carry permit system that requires no training to get the permit.

we should'nt even have to do that according to the 2A...

It needs to stay that way it is if any,we don't need more regulation we need less...

 

[IlikeSA]

Everyone does realize that proof of hunter education, former LE or military training, or private gun courses factor into the "training requirement." I think the bill (308 btw) is a good bill for the most part, but I don't like the addendum that churches can choose to allow or disallow CCW based on the permission of the church leader, and that college carry would be legal, but schools can still decide whether to make it an administrative problem. I do like that it specifically includes all areas of airports not under TSA supervision, hopefully fixing that problem Georgians have been having with APD and the Atlanta airport.

 

[Mike J]

IlikeSA-unless I'm mistaken church carry & carry on college campuses were taken out of SB 308 in committee-the airport is covered in SB291. We didn't get everything we wanted in the bill as passed but it is a big step in the right direction.

 

[IlikeSA]

Well, that's a bummer! Perhaps next legislative session we can get more added to the list of non-prohibited places.