"Pot metal" in guns?

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To encounter hobbyists brought to tears by "pot metal," look outside of firearms to the model train folks. While antique car buffs and old-radio fans can often fake it with modern plastic reproductions of the old castings, old model trains are either original or worthless -- or sadly in-between. The cheaper and older white casting metals aren't chemically stable and corrode in unpredicable ways, often swelling and distorting or cracking long before falling to chunks and dust. Most any model-train guy has one or more tales of woe about old engines that are found intact, only to go to bits soon after. That kind of "pot metal," you won't find in any gun that is safe to fire.

Me, all I have to fret over are some interesting old radio-type parts made of pot metal. (Some of them heartbreakingly so. Anybody know a good brass founder open to one-off custom work?) All my old guns are made of steel. Even the very old Spanish .25.


Cast parts of any metal used in guns get a poor rap compared to machined parts for a very simple reason: it is easy to cast parts with built-in stresses and weak points, especially complex parts. Starting oversize and milling (etc.) them down to finished dimensions or just gnawing the part out of a single billet of metal generally results in a part less likely to fail from cast-in flaws. Chewing away at a lump of metal with big power tools usually finds the flaws in it the hard way. ("Eye Protection Required!")

In recent years, it has become easier to cast dependable parts and simpler to check them, too. This has resulted in greater use of such parts and of parts formed in other low-waste ways, like "sintering," about which I know only the vaguest bits. If a manufacturer spends less time and tool-wear on generating great piles of metal chips, costs drop; so price can drop and profits can increase. Simple as that, if dependability doesn't suffer from use of the new methods.

Early on, it did. I've seen a spongy cast safety on a big-name 1911 just fall apart under normal use like it was pasteboard. But that's pretty uncommon nowadays.

--Herself
 
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Most of what you'd consider "pot metal" these days are just varying grades of steel.


Examples of such are some of the crappy trigger parts that some importers put into AK's to meet U.S. compliance. Cheap AR-15 lower parts kits also suffer from the same issue. Metal is softer/cheaper in quality. You see bolt catches that are torn up after only a single range session, or others that break after a few sessions.


It might be the hardening process. I heard that WW2 M1 Garand receivers are MUCH harder than the modern copy that Springfield currently makes. The heating/hardening process done back then was much more intense and long - producing a better product.


Then we have MIM parts. These parts are ok for places where they do not need to bear much load or shock. I personally shot a Kahr pistol whose slide stop was made using MIM. It snapped into pieces and a piece flew back at me. I do not want any firearm that has MIM parts in crucial places.
 
rocky said:
I think alot of the comments are refering to cast parts rather than machined steel as was the method before innovative modern cast techniques. I honestly don't know if cast or investment cast parts are any worse thae machine parts.

They're not. There's a few million old Rugers out there to prove it--all investment cast.
 
Ok, firstly pot metal did begin as low quality cast iron for pots. Then pot metal became the allow you'd use to patch the bottom of a steel pot, generally copper and tin. Then pot metal because the tin alloys used in casting before the 20'th century. Then pot metal became the zinc/copper/lead alloys that are "white metal". Then pot metal became the cast zinc alloys that got rid of most of the copper content. Then pot metal became Zamak and some of the other more advanced casting alloys that are dimensionally stable but can have mistakes made.

The bottom line is, "pot metal" is the mating call of wannabe metallurgists who don't really know what they're talking about.
 
Aye. In the case of steel, even forged and machined, hard can also mean brittle.

Which in the case of devices containing small explosions can be bad.
 
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