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Power Pistol 9mm/45 auto cast bullet data...

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Galil5.56, Dec 25, 2007.

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  1. Galil5.56

    Galil5.56 Member

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    Never have tried it, and interested in cast data, and especially chrono data you can share with this propellant in cast 9mm (124-130 grain) and 45 auto with cast 200 grainers.

    Plenty of data for jacketed, but interested in this instance with cast only. Also thinking of trying WSF, but have tried a lot of ball types in this burning range, but it does seem like very good stuff.

    Thank you!
     
  2. scrat

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    125 grain Lead RN (.356" dia)
    Bullseye 4.7 gr. 1,105 FPS
    Unique 6.0 gr. 1,165
    No. 2 4.2 gr. 1,002
    No. 5 6.2 gr. 1,133
    231 4.0 gr. 1,035 updated 9-15-03 to lower 4.0 instead of 5.1
    WSL 3.8 gr. 985
    WSF 4.7 gr. 1,055
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    these are max loads. You need to reduce by at least 10%

    here is a copy to the link print it out or save to your favorites
    http://www.reloadammo.com/9mloads.htm
     
  3. scrat

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    this is for the 45

    200 grain LSWC (Lead, Semi-Wad Cutter)
    Bullseye 4.2 gr. 790 FPS
    Unique 5.1 gr. 810
    Universal 5.4 gr. 804
    Clays 4.3 gr. 888
    HP38 5.6 gr. 914
    HS-6 8.4 gr. 907
    No. 2 5.8 gr. 939
    No. 5 8.7 gr. 1,025
    231 5.5 gr. 910
    540 8.3 gr. 925
    WST 5.1 gr. 910
    WAP 7.6 gr. 970
     
  4. Luggernut

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    Well I've used 124gr 9mm plated which should be close.

    6.0gr PP
    WSP
    1.130" COL
    Ave 1076 ft/sec

    It's not a hot load but no dog either.
     
  5. Lloyd Smale

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    I shoot mostly fast powders like bullseye and aa2 in the 45s and 9s. I shoot a ton of them and cant see using 6 grains of powder when I can do the same with 4.
     
  6. Galil5.56

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    Interesting result, and I would have thought a lot faster velocity?... What pistol did you shoot this loading in?

    Lloyd,

    Have you since soured on midrange loads using Power Pistol since you wrote this:

    Do you have any 9x19, 120-135 grain cast loads you can offer? I like, and prefer a more moderate burning rate in 9mm, and with its very close proximity to Unique in speed, figured it would work well with loads in the 4.7-5.2 grain range with cast 124's. Also, should I want to load maximum power SD rounds for my pistols, PP seems to be very willing and able to do this.
     
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    (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter,
    HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose, FMC= Full Metal Case, FMJ= Full Metal Jacket
    JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet)

    Loads for 9 MM Luger:
    (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.)
    (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.)
    Bullet size is .355" (jacketed) in diameter. Cast bullets for 9mm (like Lead RN) are often .356" diameter.
    Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. It is just a guide and the reason you should start 10% under these charges and work up.
    THESE ARE MAXIMUM LOADS! - NOTE, powder companies have reduced some of these hot and maximum loads after these figures were posted. You might check current loads from powder company before loading maximum loads.


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    90 grain JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point)
    Bullseye 5.0 gr. 1,250 FPS
    Unique 6.1 gr. 1,341
    HP38 5.8 gr. 1,349
    HS-6 8.1 gr. 1,380
    No. 2 4.8 gr. 1,331
    No. 5 6.8 gr. 1,343
    231 5.1 gr. 1,305
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    100 grain JHP or FMC (Jacketed Hollow Point)
    Bullseye 4.9 gr. 1,182 FPS
    Unique 6.0 gr. 1,248
    HP38 5.5 gr. 1,282
    HS-6 7.5 gr. 1,313
    No. 2 5.2 gr. 1,190
    No. 5 6.8 gr. 1,200
    No. 7 9.0 gr. 1,230
    231 5.1 gr. 1,235
    WAP 6.0 gr. 1,155
    VV N350 6.0 gr. 1,180
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    115 grain FMC
    Bullseye 4.3 gr. 1,180 FPS
    Unique 6.1 gr. 1,185
    Universal 5.0 gr. 1,149
    Clays 3.9 gr. 1,095
    HP38 5.1 gr. 1,167
    No. 2 4.4 gr. 1,092
    No. 5 7.0 gr. 1,192
    231 4.2 gr. 1,135
    WSL 4.5 gr. 1,105
    WSF 5.7 gr. 1,165
    WAP 6.0 gr. 1,162
    VV N350 6.0 gr. 1,130
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    125 grain Lead RN (.356" dia)
    Bullseye 4.7 gr. 1,105 FPS
    Unique 6.0 gr. 1,165
    No. 2 4.2 gr. 1,002
    No. 5 6.2 gr. 1,133
    231 4.0 gr. 1,035 updated 9-15-03 to lower 4.0 instead of 5.1
    WSL 3.8 gr. 985
    WSF 4.7 gr. 1,055
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    125 grain FMC or JHP
    Bullseye 4.2 gr. 1,155 FPS
    Unique 6.0 gr. 1,150
    Universal 4.9 gr. 1,118
    Clays 3.7 gr. 1,056
    HP38 4.8 gr. 1,088
    No. 2 4.1 gr. 1,057
    No. 5 6.4 gr. 1,200
    231 4.1 gr. 1,095
    WSL 4.1 gr. 1,025
    WSF 5.3 gr. 1,115
    VV 3N37 6.3 gr. 1,165
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    145 grain Lead RN (Round Nose)
    Bullseye 3.5 gr. 942 FPS
    Unique 3.8 gr. 1,108
    HS6 5.0 gr. 968
    No. 2 3.7 gr. 893
    No. 5 5.1 gr. 984
    No. 7 7.2 gr. 1,052
    WSF 3.9 gr. 961
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    147 grain FMJ or JHP
    Bullseye 4.2 gr. 1,010 FPS
    Unique 4.4 gr. 1,010
    Universal 3.7 gr. 851
    HS6 6.0 gr. 973
    No. 2 4.0 gr. 888
    No. 5 5.3 gr. 991
    WSF 4.3 gr. 935
    WAP 4.7 gr. 964
    HP-38 3.5 grs. 818 to 825 fps (contributed by a friend)
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    Discussion: Bullseye is a fast burning powder and perhaps better suited to the small cases like the 9mm. It burns completely and fast. Unique is a very consistent burning powder and it is almost a tossup with the heavier bullets. Universal, Clays and HS6 are from Hodgdon and similar to Bullseye and Unique. HS6 is slowest of the group (Similar to 2400) and takes quite a bit more powder. Respectively are No.2 and No.5 from Accurate.
    As you move up in loads, you at least need the gas check on the bottom of the bullet to prevent gas melting the lead and fouling the barrel. For any loads over 900 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed or plated bullet. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but it's better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air.




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    Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders.
    Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders.
    IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company.
    No. 2, No. 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company
    WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div.


    References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet - - Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders' Guide (1995) - - Hodgdon's Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) - - Speer Reloading Manual, #12 - - Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition - - Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. - - VihtaVuori Oy Company, reloading booklet (1995)
     
  8. Galil5.56

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    Scrat,

    In both of your C&P postings, there is no Power Pistol data, cast or otherwise???

    Are you mistakenly posting this, or trying to give me a primer in 9mm hand loading.:confused: If the later, I'm fine, and simply want the cast bullet data I requested, first hand experience and chronographed all the better.
     
  9. Luggernut

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    124gr Berrys
    6.0gr PP
    WSP
    1.130" COL
    Ave 1076 ft/sec


    Q: Interesting result, and I would have thought a lot faster velocity?... What pistol did you shoot this loading in?


    This was a Sig 228... 80 degrees and kinda humid. It's the only time I've chrono'd that load. Contrast that with WWB 115gr FMJ at 1093 AVE on the same day.
     
  10. Galil5.56

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    Fair enough, and thank you for getting back to me.

    Anyone else have Power Pistol data for cast bullets in 9mm and 45 auto? Published data from Lyman, Speer, Hornady or otherwise would be great.

    Thanks.
     
  11. Black_Talon

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    Apparently, PP isn't recommended for use with lead bullets, at least in 45ACP. I have new editions of the Hornady, Speer and Lyman manuals and none of them have lead bullet PP data. Speer and Hornady do show PP data for jacketed bullets though.
     
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    For a CZ-75, 9m/m, I use a Lee 120 TC lead bullet, sized .357 with 5.0 grains of Unique.
     
  13. kart racer

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    I shoot 6.7 pp with my 200gr swc.In 9mm I don't shoot lead,but use 6.1 pp with 124 gr fmj.The oal's are 1.235 and 1.115 respectively.Don't have a chrony.
     
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