Prairie Dog Gun (part 2)

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http://benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52687

Scroll down in this, and take a look at Seb's 1,000+ yard poodle. And look at what he shot it with.

My suggestion: Adapt an accuracy competition rifle to the purpose, with a non-match chamber, and do a minimal amount of handloading.

For instance, if I went prairie dog shooting this week, I'd be using a rifle built on a Mauser action, with a full-profile bull barrel, in a package that weighs over 20 pounds without a scope (and I paid only $600 for the rifle). And it's chambered for a little shortened .22 PPC...
 
Well, I could be wrong since I didn't read it (just looked at the pics) but it sure didn't look like a .308 and that was over 1000yds on a small dog.
 
my background... i live on and hunt the wild, wind-blown prairies of south dakota and wyoming. i do a prairie dog shoot about every 10 days or so, depending on weather. ie, recently we have been in constant rain, so my last 2 dog shoots have been rained out. that's ok... i'll do it this weekend. and the one after that. and probably the one after that, too.

whether or not you want the opinion of a serious dogger, i don't know, but i'll post some of my thoughts...

first, the platform... i don't know what exactly you are getting at here w/ the non-ar semi-auto stuff. the ar-15 is an accurate weapon, and does well on a dog town w/ 20 round and smaller magazines (for when you go prone)... you will only want to shoot maybe 2-3 rounds or so at a time anyway to stave off barrel heat and shooting out your throat on your first trip. but, i also think there are better rifles available - or at least not worse rifles. at any rate, think very seriously about a remington 700 vls. the laminate stock is inletted well and is extremely stable. bed the action ($25 for materials), float the barrel (free), tune the trigger (free) and you're in.

for your factory loads criteria, look very hard at the 22-250 w/ hornady loads, or 223 w/ black hills red-box. shoot 50 or 55 grain v-max's for the 22-250, and 45 grain v-max's or 52 grain matchkings in the 223.

i would also advise against using this rifle for deer. if you absolutely have to go that route, you'll end up w/ a compromise rifle that will neither hunt deer well, nor shoot dogs well. but, if you must, look to the 243, 25-06, and 257 roberts (the roberts is the least desireable because it usually means a long action chambering w/ a short-action cartridge) in a sporter rifle. you will grow tired of the recoil on a dog town, but if you choose a 22-centerfire to mitigate the recoil, you may find yourself not legal for big game depending on your area (i'll leave the ethics argument out, here).

don't skimp on your optics. nothing will turn you off of varminting faster than having a miserable headache because your glass sucks. something like a leupold 4-12 vx-2 or better will get you where you want to be without breaking the bank. if you go the vls route, the 6-18 and the 6.5-20 are aesthetically very pleasing on the big rifle.

as for range, i spent my first 2 years dogging w/ factory loads in a 22-250, and i could consistently and regularly make hits to 600 yards. 400 yards really isn't that far or hard to achieve, even w/ a factory load in a factory gun. i've done it, my hunting partners have done it.

i understand the desire for having something unique or different, but if you go too far out of the box, you will regret it as far as dogging goes.
 
dakotasin.....

Hey There:
dakotasin has to be a "real" P-dog shooter.. He hit the nail right on the head.
Period.......
All of the other calibers would work but are way over kill. The .223 has a very good reputation for the longer shots. I still have a hard time understanding why some don't know this.
I have shot p-dogs for many years with the Rem.700 s in .223 with 1-14" twist and 55 grainers at 3130 fps. Long shots have never been an issue.
3x9 scopes are not for P-dog shooting at 400 yards. Sorry , thats just the way it is. If you have that good of eye sight go for it. I would rather have much more power at the lenes.
May be some are talking about useing scopes that would never consider changing the turrets. If that is the case. I'm not to sure what is out there that would fly flat enough for 400 yard shots. Part of the whole idea is to test your rifle skills and use your scopes adjustments. The wind in SD can get the best of us. But speed (velocity) is what determines wind drift not the BC. Or caliber.
While BC is a factor velocity is the main factor in any wind drift. No matter what the bullets weight is.
All of this talk of useing 6.8s and the likes is kind of like hunting rabbits with a 45-70. These are P-dogs he was asking about.
The recoil issue alone will limit his accuracy after a certain amount of shooting. I have done the .308 thing on P-dogs just for some fun.
Didn't take long shooting prone with that to figure out I was running out of fun.
So lets be real here and answer the guys question. The .243 could work. I hunted with guys that used them. They had to take regular breaks from shooting. A .243 in a heavy weight Rem. or savage may work just fine for him. But from what I have seen in the fields and P-dog towns were .223s and some 22-250s. The 22-250s got hot fast. And most of the time the shooters had to let them cool down.
After taking a few decent sized P-dogs most of the adults go in..... That leaves the little guys out . they run about 1/2 the size of the adults. At 400 yards they are very hard to get cross hairs on and keep them on. I use an 1/8" dot and can usually do it.
But a 3x9 ?????? I can't see that good. The cross hairs would cover one of those little guys up at 400.
Of all of the post here , dakotasins was the best and right on the money......
 
You DO NOT need a 308 to shoot past 300 yards. You DO need good ammo to expect any sort of MOPD accuracy. At the same time, why would you shoot if you knew you were going to hit it every time? You can have a dope chart, but dialing in the wind and the range is the fun part. The OP should have given us an idea of how much he had to spend on ammo, but claiming that .223 is about as worthless as a spud gun past 300 is like saying you need a 50bmg to shoot 1000+.
 
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