Pre-production sample of the new Thuer Conversion

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Showing the FIRE position above.......

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The eject position is now a fool proof SAFETY position!


This one is Nitre Blued so that it will STAND OUT ;D

Keep in mind the production pieces will be hot blued to match the Italian pistols with an emphasis on high polish for the 2nd generation (3rd's also) Colts revolvers.
The new screws will be flush in the sides of the rings (they are still being machined) and the screws and firing pins will be Nitre blued.
Also the thumb piece will be checkered as the originals were.........

Fire away with the questions, please!
 
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Very nice work Gary, I like it, something soo different from the run of the mill conversions... Will they be in .45 Scofield or Colt?

BTW, I got #3408 back in the mail yesterday, really nice work on that too! Hope to get out to the range this weekend. I've been slammed up here but I will get pics of the Cavalry to you.
 
woodnbow said:
Very nice work Gary, I like it, something soo different from the run of the mill conversions... Will they be in .45 Scofield or Colt?

BTW, I got #3408 back in the mail yesterday, really nice work on that too! Hope to get out to the range this weekend. I've been slammed up here but I will get pics of the Cavalry to you.
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As you well know I aim to please......

So, I am having LONGER cylinders produced which I can install by cutting back the breech or forcing cone end of the barrel. This will allow the chambering of the 45 Colt and the 38 Special.

I offer reasonable pricing on barrel lining and the full spectrum of Heel base loading tools and, hopefully. loaded ammo also!

The first 50 Thuer® conversions will be offered with free fitting/tuning and are available for the Navy in 38 Colt Heel & 41 Colt and 45 Colt for the Army. Future chamberings are 38 Special in the Navy and 44 Colt Heel and 44 Special in the Army.

HH
 
I know nothing about this type of conversion cylinder. I assume that the rear piece does not rotate since the extension would hinder the cylinder's rotation and the notch is only present in one position to allow the hammer to drop and ignite the primers.
What are the advantages over the Kirst-type conversions?
 
Patocazador said:
I know nothing about this type of conversion cylinder. I assume that the rear piece does not rotate since the extension would hinder the cylinder's rotation and the notch is only present in one position to allow the hammer to drop and ignite the primers.
What are the advantages over the Kirst-type conversions?
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The Thuer was Colt's very first attempt at a cartridge firing revolver. Wikipedia is incorrect but there is info out there and I suggest, if the history interests you, that you research it.

Actually the ring does rotate between the firing position and the SAFE position (the safe position was an "Eject" position on the originals which were front loading). This is a SUPERIOR safety as the hammer cannot contact the firing pin when in safe.

Kirst Konverters are GREAT! As their largest Dealer I have sold and installed WELL OVER a hundred!

Advantages are personal preference, hand polished blued finish, historically correct exterior look, REAL SAFETY, no need to port the pistol, etceteras...........

Be the first guy on the block to own one; bragging rights, style points and conversation starter!

HH
 
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I have been intrigued by the Thuer conversion ever since I saw a picture of a cartridge in a book. The one thing that puzzles me (and what I haven't been able to find out about) is how is ejection of the empties accomplished?
 
Annihilator I said:
I have been intrigued by the Thuer conversion ever since I saw a picture of a cartridge in a book. The one thing that puzzles me (and what I haven't been able to find out about) is how is ejection of the empties accomplished?
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In the original (which used a tapered front loading cartridge) there was a series if "teeter-totter" pieces which ejected the case when the pistol was, once again, fired in the Eject position..........

This conversion works like an R&D meaning you just remove the cylinder to unload.

HH
 
A couple of questions.

First, is nitre bluing a matter of submerging the steel in molten saltpeter?

Second, is this available in 38 S&W (for the 1851 Navy Pietta)?

Now, compliments. Very nice. Very nice, indeed. Then again, I'm not surprised at how nice it is, considering the fact that you are doing it.
You are a very talented smith.
I sure hope you can reach around and pat yourself on the back, since my arms won't reach all the way to Texas.

Lastly, I sure would like to replace the brass TG/Backstrap on my Pietta '51 with blued steel. It really makes a difference in the looks.
 
The production Thuers should be available in about three weeks.
I have a large number of this first 50 promised but there are some still available.
 
Jaymo said:
A couple of questions.

First, is nitre bluing a matter of submerging the steel in molten saltpeter?

Second, is this available in 38 S&W (for the 1851 Navy Pietta)?

Now, compliments. Very nice. Very nice, indeed. Then again, I'm not surprised at how nice it is, considering the fact that you are doing it.
You are a very talented smith.
I sure hope you can reach around and pat yourself on the back, since my arms won't reach all the way to Texas.

Lastly, I sure would like to replace the brass TG/Backstrap on my Pietta '51 with blued steel. It really makes a difference in the looks.
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Sorry no 38 S&W. While this looks like a viable option the bullet is still too small and once chambered for that case you cannot go back to the 38 colt........
I am making a 41 Colt inside lubed that uses a soft lead .386 inside lubed bullet which shoots superbly and cases can be fireformed from 38's.

Basically yes, nitre bluing is done with heat and submersion is a mixture of saltpeter.

Thanks for the kudos!
 
Well, I wouldn't complain about a .41 Colt that could be fireformed from .38 brass.
That is prettty nice.

I've blued a few pins by submerging them in a container of saltpeter, and heating it with a torch.
Nothing like what you've done, though.

Do you silver plate Repro Colt trigger guards/backstraps, and Remington trigger guards?
I've thought about getting that done for my Piettas.

Come to think of it, my Uberti 1862 Police would be beautiful with a silver plated TG/BS.


Your work never fails to greatly impress this rank amateur (emphasis on RANK). :)
Seriously, I love machining but I only seem to excel at turning perfectly good pieces of stock into piles of chips. :(
 
Gary,
Excellent work!!!!
But for just some additional information; are you or can you convert a '62 Colt Police?:)
Thanks
 
are there any conversions that would work with a 1851 navy? I know the brass frame would mean a need to run lighter loads, but interested in finding out.
 
For the 51 Navy, certainly!!!

A lot of people sell them just search on the internet. Cimarron Arms, Buffalo Arms, Taylors & Company, lots and lots of people.


But, NO ONE Sells them for a brass framed revolver. NO ONE. You’ll have to buy a steel framed revolver.
 
Todd

The available conversions for the 51 navy will FIT in a brass frame but for liability concerns are not recommended.

The Thuer cylinder is a direct drop In and does not require "porting" of the frame.

HH
 
Neat,
Are you producing the cylinders yourself, or having them outsourced?
Thanks,
Dan
 
Jaymo said:
Well, I wouldn't complain about a .41 Colt that could be fireformed from .38 brass.
That is prettty nice.

I've blued a few pins by submerging them in a container of saltpeter, and heating it with a torch.
Nothing like what you've done, though.

Do you silver plate Repro Colt trigger guards/backstraps, and Remington trigger guards?
I've thought about getting that done for my Piettas.

Come to think of it, my Uberti 1862 Police would be beautiful with a silver plated TG/BS.


Your work never fails to greatly impress this rank amateur (emphasis on RANK). :)
Seriously, I love machining but I only seem to excel at turning perfectly good pieces of stock into piles of chips. :(
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Howdy

Just back from the third horse show in 3 weeks and leaving again on Thursday for the 4th...
It will be nice to get a couple weeks here at the ranch!

Yes I can do the silver plate but I do that sort of thing in batches. Give me a shout via email: [email protected]

We'll get it scheduled.

Thanks for the the kind words......
Gary
 
Dan D said:
Neat,
Are you producing the cylinders yourself, or having them outsourced?
Thanks,
Dan
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The parts were prototyped here and are being made by a CNC shop here in the great state of TEXAS! They are made of 4140 prehard which is 28 to 32 Rockwell. Then final fit, polish, blue, assembly, etc. are done by yours truly......

HH
 
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