Preacherman Set Me Up

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Old Fuff

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Yup … Preacherman did indeed set me up …. And I am delighted! :D

It started when “sm†and I were having a discussion concerning his pet 1928 manufactured Colt Detective Special. It came out that he’d gotten it with the help of Preacherman who seems to have an uncanny ability to turn up some very interesting stuff in an area where you wouldn’t expect to find it.

Anyway the good Padre got into all if this and offered to let me know if any “interesting†snubbies turned up.

Now I need to digress ….

It was my privilege and pleasure to know Col. Rex Applegate during his lifetime. I doubt that he needs any further introduction, but for those who haven’t heard of him, he was a world-class authority on close-quarter combat (armed and unarmed) and riot control. His book, “Kill or Get Killed†is still considered a must-read. He also designed a number of fighting knives. During World War Two he was an OSS operative and trainer. Following the war he continued to do some special intelligence work for the government, and occasionally others. His considerable knowledge of, and experience with, firearms of all kinds was not learned sitting behind a desk or reading someone else’s magazine articles – although he did have an extensive library.

One of the revolvers he favored for concealed carry and close quarters use was Smith & Wesson’s old top-break Safety Hammerless 38. This was S&W’s first so-called hammerless revolver. It was chambered in .38 S&W (not Special) held 5 rounds, and featured a grip safety that presumably made it safe to carry around in one’s pocket without a holster – which many people did. This model was introduced in 1887 and continued in the S&W line until 1940 or 41. It was the last of their traditional top-break pocket guns. As a matter of trivia it is known that president Theodore Roosevelt carried a “Safety†occasionally, and it is believed that president Franklin Roosevelt also owned one.

Perhaps the biggest fault of these guns was the cartridge they used. The .38 S&W with a 146-grain round-nosed lead bullet was not the best of manstoppers. Applegate learned this the hard way in Old Mexico where he was working on an assignment. When a tenacious gent tried to separate his head from his shoulders with a machete, Applegate dropped a cylinder full of .38 slugs from his little gun into the appropriate center of mass, but it took no immediate effect. The story ended when someone else stepped in with a .45 automatic.

Upon returning home, Rex sought out the then top honcho at S&W, Carl Hellstrom, and strongly suggested that they should mate the Safety Hammerless snag-free design with their new J-frame in .38 Special. Hellstrom concurred, and the result was the Centennial Model and Centennial Airweight (pre-model 40 in steel, pre-model 42 in aluminum).

The Centennial Airweight and model 19 Combat Masterpiece with a 2 ½†barrel became two of his favored carry guns, and when Rex passed away and his collection was auctioned I was fortunate enough to obtain the custom-made shoulder holster he carried his Centennial in, but not the gun. After that I became interested in the history of S&W hammerless revolvers, but didn’t happen to come across one of the earlier model 42’s with the grip safety. I could have bought one brand new when they were still in production, but this was years before I met Col. Applegate.

But that was then, and this is now. Shortly before the SHOT Show I received a P.M. from Preacherman informing me that he’d found something, and would I be interested? Oh boy! Would I be interested! Another message soon came my way with necessary information to put me in contact with the seller, and a deal was quickly arranged. When I returned from the show my receiving dealer called to say a box was waiting for me. What it contained is pictured below.

Thanks again Peter … You can set me up any ol’ time …
 
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Did it come with the pin? Usually they get lost. I had one back in the early `60's and it was a good gun. I sold or traded it for something that I thought was more important at the time. Now I wish I had it back.

John
 
You know, I'm going to have to go look and then report back. With all the excitement in getting the gun I forgot to look ... :eek: :D
 
To shift the topic somewhat (but still relating to older S&W J-frame snubs)--

I was at a local gun/pawn shop today (Birmingham Pistol Parlor) and saw two S&W 49s in the display case, for $299.99 each. They had AM rubber grips, and showed wear, but no obvious abuse. That's all I can say, since I didn't handle them.

I was going to PM this to Ala Dan, but it seemed appropriate to this thread.
 
JCM298:


Sir ...

Beg to report that the pin is present and accounted for. :)

Preacherman scores again ... :D
 
Cool. I'd like for classics like these to go to someone who would appreciate them.

Birmingham Pistol Parlor-(205) 841-4855
1833 Pinson Valley Parkway
Tarrant, AL 35217

Hours: M-F 10:00AM-6:00PM (CDT) Sat 10-5

ALA DAN, if you want one, you better hustle! :uhoh:
 
Enjoyed the bit of history Fuff - thanks for that. And what about this find then ... outstanding. Kudos to Peter for getting you in touch with it and ... good fortune is yours having found it.

I could just make room for that in my safe ..... <mutter> ..... :);)
 
Old Fuff,

Thanks for sharing more histories with us. What a great gun, with a even more special meaning for you. I'm glad you and Peter hooked up and things worked out so well...

Perhaps you could follow up with a pic of the holster and pin for us. Be much appreciated and educational. :)
 
sm:

Unfortunately the holster is in storage, but when I can get to it I'll do another thread. It was interesting. The gun was positioned upside-down over the left breast rather then under the armpit. Col. Applegate was a barrel-chested individual, and this arrangement might have been easier for him to reach.

The pin has no special significance. S&W wasn’t sure how well the grip safety would go over with some buyers so they drilled a hole under the grips that allowed a user to block the safety in the “off†position (in other words, pressed in). A second hole was drilled into the frame for the purpose of storing the pin when it wasn’t being used. In later years this pin was often lost when some owners removed the grips and didn’t pay attention because they didn’t know it was there. Apparently this revolver’s former owner didn’t tamper with it because the pin is still in its storage hole. I will be careful not to lose it.
 
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I would appreciate another thread in regard to the holster! What a neat piece of History!

I just wanted folks to be educated about the pin. :)

I do stuff like that , ask questions, sometimes being selfish cause I want to know for my sake - and sometimes to pass forward to younger folks.
 
NOW DON'T YOU GO TELLING TUNER ABOUT THIS ... !! :eek:

Things are bad enough as it is with that .45 fixer starting to look for vintage Smith & Wessons. Why with his misguided sense of ethics he might even pay someone a fair price ... :scrutiny: :D
 
Well, Fuff, there's enough to go around, if you keep your eyes open...

Apart from yourself and SM, I've found Tamara a mint (and I do mean MINT!!!) Model 27 3½", a pre-WW2 Heavy Duty converted post-WW2 to target configuration, a .44-40 Texas Sesquicentennial special edition, a flat-latch Model 49... I just have good contacts, and down here in the "sticks" of northern Louisiana, there are folks who have lovely old pieces that have been in the family for generations. Now that their owners are dying off, the relatives are selling the guns, often for a whole lot less than they could get in bigger markets. If one has friendly dealers who'll keep one informed, there are bargains to be had.

I'm extremely covetous of a collection owned by a retired Baptist minister. He's been in the business for over 40 years, and whenever his congregation wanted to buy him presents, he asked for a gun. He's now sitting on over 200 wonderful items, many of them almost irreplaceable. How about three - THREE!!! - Registered Magnums, complete with boxes, certificates, etc.? And he won't even sell me one of them! He says they're his retirement nest-egg, and if he needs to buy another car, or get another home, or whatever, he'll sell them at that time.

Right now, there's a horribly mistreated S&W 1917 in a local pawnshop that I'm eyeing covetously. It's been very poorly re-finished, but a good mechanical overhaul and intensive cosmetic work could restore it to really nice condition. The pawnshop wants $300 for it, which is too high, IMHO, considering the amount of work involved: but it's been on their shelves for two years. I'm about ready to offer $150 and see what they say...
 
Preacherman was sent an email by me not long ago. I wonder what one of the subjects was about? :)

One of these days I need to head down Preacherman's way. Only one state away and we have discussed it. The theory is we could enjoy a good visit , and enjoy some good Cajun food. We are supposed to keep each other out of trouble if " we just happen to find a gun store". :)

The visit and food I figure we can do, the keeping out of trouble might be a problem. 2 out of 3 ain't bad tho'.

:D
 
Well I have to admit that Preacherman has found a mother lode of classic handguns.

However the thought of Steve and Peter making the rounds of those gun shops is …. well … sort of frightening … :eek:

Just who … is supposed to keep the other honest …?? :neener: :D
 
Thank you for sharing that information on Col. Applegate. I've only met the man once and shooking his hand. It was at Trexpo and I grabbed his book, Kill or be Killed and had him autograph it on the spot.

If you have more stories concerning Applegate, please share them.
 
Adds another book I need to my growing list...

Old Fuff I figure Peter and I would be JUST as honest as you and I would be if I were to head out your way. I plan to someday btw. :D

I prefer the term rationalization. Not to mention having someone to help tote guns and ammo to the truck. :p

I am already in trouble for the various books I keep. I have Totes ( note the plural )in storage. My want list is growing such. From Phil Sharpe, ...nevermind, Applegate has been added...

Oh- I attended Baptist Churches as a kid. I don't recall anything about honest in them stories about Whales pulling Arks so folks could Waterski behind them...must have been some strong fast whales...causing the seas to split like they did...

Unless I missed something getting more grape Kool-Aid and Cookies. :)
 
Memorandum to Peter and Steve: I simply can’t stand anyone who’s a bigger crook then I am... :neener:

But now in this dream (maybe a nightmare) I have seen a revelation …

Peter and Steve form one team, while Fuff and Tuner make up another, and they both start working the north Louisiana gun shop circuit … All peaceable citizens would be warned to take cover … :evil: :D

Talk about an epic ... :what:
 
4v50 Gary:

Ya' got me there because I never remembered to bring my copy to get it autographed. Oh Darn!! (Somebody get Art's Grandma out of the room). :eek:

If you have the revised copy (1976) of "Kill or Get Killed," look on page 159 and there is a picture of the gun that got him into trouble in Mexico. Also his comments about the Centennial, although he doesn't mention the part he played in its conception.

You might be interested to know that Rex's interests went beyond current combat issues. I also obtained an Italian reproduction of Colt's 1861 Navy revolver from his estate (no one else bid on it) and when I got it the straps were stained - obviously it had been fired ... He was among other things a Civil War history fan.
 
Did ya hear about the Padre, the Machinist, the Editor and Older Returning College Student?

"Is this a Joke?"

Nope - 4 characters working the gun shops around these parts. :D

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I am not sure about titles for a "Epic".

The Way of the Gun , The Good ,the Bad and the Ugly have already been used. So has the Wild Bunch , Thief and Heat .

I know...we will steal a line from Jimi Hendrix...Four Riders Were Approaching - That would make a great title for an Epic. :D
 
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