Hey everyone!!! I'm new to this site but i am going to build up a rifle pretty soon here... I have the money I just need to figure out exactly what I'm getting... I'm a left handed shooter so I'm going for the remington 700 sps varmint in left handed or the 700 police... the rifle not being left handed does not bug me to much but it is convenient if availiable... I am also going to get a mcmiall a4 stock the rifle is basically going to be somewhat in the style of a m403 but I am not building it to exact specs... I'm not new to shooting or anything but I was thinking of getting a leuopold I don't want anything super high power but probally 3.5 -10 or whatever they offer up to 12 with mil dot I was just wondering what leuopold I can get that will be able to be adjusted out to 1000 yards I want to be able to take it out to a grand if I want too... I want to be able to strike from 100 yards to 1000 and I would prefer a scope with a zero stop it will probally be mounted on a 20 MOA base or 30 whatever is more ideal??? Advice would be greatly appreciated!!! Thanks guys!!!
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redneck2
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Zak has a sticky at the top of this forum that will answer your questions. Good read.
You might want to check out a Super Sniper. www.SWFA.com
A side parallax adjustment knob is not good for a lefty---that's what I've heard anyway.
A side parallax adjustment knob is not good for a lefty---that's what I've heard anyway.
Zak Smith
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article | Practical Long-Range Rifle Shooting, Part I - Rifle & Equipment
article | Practical Long-Range Rifle Shooting, Part II - Optics
dagger dog
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Have a look at Nightforce before you jump in. They are a quality optic!
yeah i read the post zak smith and it was very helpful but im also wondering about f i get the mk4 leuopold... if i can get it with the bigger turrets like the target and if the paralax is necessary and if it comes with mil dots??? and also how do the bigger target turrets work... say if i wanted to use the same rifle/scope configuration while hunting deer... are they easilly taken out of zero??? i want one with the zero stop feature but is it easy to turn the nobs and not notice is what im saying...and also i remember reading about how the mk4 with zero stop takes like a million clicks to be able to adjust for shooting at a grand??? thanks everyone!!! and also another question... what is about the maximum effective range of the springfield m1a say if i equipped it with a high quality scope mcmillan stock bedding and what not...??? thanks!!!
Zak Smith
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The sky is not falling.
The M1 turret has no zero stop and has 15 MOA per turn in 1/4th MOA clicks.
The M3 turret has a zero stop and at least 50 MOA in one turn in 1 MOA clicks.
The M2 turret has 1/2 MOA clicks and 29 MOA per turn. I believe it does have a zero stop.
The M1 turret has no zero stop and has 15 MOA per turn in 1/4th MOA clicks.
The M3 turret has a zero stop and at least 50 MOA in one turn in 1 MOA clicks.
The M2 turret has 1/2 MOA clicks and 29 MOA per turn. I believe it does have a zero stop.
USSR
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While there is always the possibility of being 0.5MOA high or low at any range, I like the M3 for being able to dial in quickly and send it. However, for pure precision, there are better choices.
Don
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my scopes all have 1/4 MOA or finer adjustments, excepting those in MILS, of course
they also have numbers printed on the sides of the turrets, so i don't have to count out 20 or 30 clicks to get where i'm going. just move it to the number. best of both worlds
they also have numbers printed on the sides of the turrets, so i don't have to count out 20 or 30 clicks to get where i'm going. just move it to the number. best of both worlds
Zak Smith
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The second article explains the tradeoffs of click size. Click size does not affect accuracy; it affects the quantum of sight adjustment.
One click on the M3 knob would change the POI approx 5" at 500 yards. The M1 would be about 1.25".
One click on the M3 knob would change the POI approx 5" at 500 yards. The M1 would be about 1.25".
skinewmexico
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If you're set on staying with something, why ask for advice?
Well I'm open to opinions I mean I did ask for them... but I just am leaning towards leuopold because its in a decent price range and I want good optics I just don't know what exact model would best fit my needs... so the poa from 1.25 to 5... is that where the bullet will strike...???
Well I'm open to opinions I mean I did ask for them... but I just am leaning towards leuopold because its in a decent price range and I want good optics I just don't know what exact model would best fit my needs... so the poa from 1.25 to 5... is that where the bullet will strike...???
USSR
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chriso,
Using Zak's example of
Assuming you are shooting at 500 yards, and with your scope at it's present setting you are shooting 3" low. Two "clicks" of a scope with 1/4MOA adjustments (each click representing 1.25" at 500 yards) such as with the M1 knob will bring you up to 0.5" low, while three clicks will bring you up to 0.75" high at 500 yards. Conversely, with a 1MOA scope such as the M3, one "click" of elevation (5" at 500 yards) will bring you up to 2.0" high at 500 yards. In both cases, you are going to be shooting a little high or a little low, but because of the finer adjustments of the M1, you are able to make your point of impact closer to your point of aim. Hope that helps.
Don
Using Zak's example of
, here is another explanation of the difference.
Assuming you are shooting at 500 yards, and with your scope at it's present setting you are shooting 3" low. Two "clicks" of a scope with 1/4MOA adjustments (each click representing 1.25" at 500 yards) such as with the M1 knob will bring you up to 0.5" low, while three clicks will bring you up to 0.75" high at 500 yards. Conversely, with a 1MOA scope such as the M3, one "click" of elevation (5" at 500 yards) will bring you up to 2.0" high at 500 yards. In both cases, you are going to be shooting a little high or a little low, but because of the finer adjustments of the M1, you are able to make your point of impact closer to your point of aim. Hope that helps.
Don
Oooh that makes it a little bit easier to understand... so are the ones with finer adjustments a nuisance and take much more clicks to adjust at farther ranges as well correct??? Do any other leuopold scopes in the mk 1,2,3,4 series have the zero stop feature as well??? That can adjust to a grand???
USSR
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Yes, more clicks, but we don't deal with clicks, but rather MOA. Most scope knobs (1/4MOA adjustments) are marked with 3 short lines and then 1 long line, 3 short lines, 1 long line, etc. So when you need to move your POI 20 inches at 1000 yards, you know that that is 2MOA, so you turn your scope know the appropriate amount of MOA (starting on a long line, you turn it past the next long line and on to the 2nd long line). The problem you run into at LR with a scope with fine adjustments is: what revolution are you on, since you are using up to 2 revolutions of the elevation knob at LR. In any case, let the amount of precision and the speed of engagement needed, determine the scope adjustments.
Don
Zak Smith
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You can always dial back down to your zero even without a zero stop. A zero stop physically stops the movement of the knob either at the zero, or usually just under the zero. This is useful under time pressure or in the dark. On non zero-stop scopes like the Leupold Mark 4 M1 or Nightforce NXS, you just make sure it is on the correct revolution ("turn") by looking at the hash marks and dial the knob to the "0" mark.
are there markings that tell you what revolution you are on??? and the hash mark and zero mark are they literally marks on the scope or just where you noted your zero was at a certain distance and dial back down???
what leuopold do you reccomend for my situation zak smith???
I will be using to actually hunt and to do some long range shooting.. and i also have a question about if the knobs are easy to knock out of zero if i were to walk through brush or have it slinged or what not???
what leuopold do you reccomend for my situation zak smith???
I will be using to actually hunt and to do some long range shooting.. and i also have a question about if the knobs are easy to knock out of zero if i were to walk through brush or have it slinged or what not???
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If your going to shoot out to a grand you`re gonna need more power. I have a 6-24-50 on one of my rifles and I think that it would have barely enough power to be consistant at a grand. Where do you live that has a thousand yard shot?
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