Pregnant woman murdered in Nashville. (long story)

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Shooter may have killed fetus, too.

Two young men charged with shooting a pregnant woman as she lay in a vacant lot could face an additional murder charge of killing the woman's fetus, a detective investigating the case said yesterday.

Tracy Owen, 32, was due to give birth any day and may have been in labor when she was killed early Monday morning, said Metro police detective Robert Swisher.

Antonio Dejesus Idelfonso, 17, and Eliseo Marcelino-Quintero, 22, told police they killed the woman because they thought they had hit her with their pickup truck and were afraid they would get into trouble, Swisher said.

Swisher said Idelfonso shot Owen and told his roommate after the slaying that the woman was crying for help when the men stopped. Idelfonso told police that he responded, ''Here's your help,'' and shot her five times in the upper body, according to the detective. One of the bullets struck the fetus, Swisher said.

''In my 22 years on the job, I have never seen anyone executed, and I mean executed, because someone thought they had hit the person with a vehicle,'' Swisher said. ''It sickens me.''

Dr. Amy McMaster, the assistant medical examiner who performed Owen's autopsy, will not release any information on the case until toxicology results are completed in several weeks.

Swisher, however, said the medical examiner's office told him that Owen was in the late stages of pregnancy and could have given birth at any time. He said there was no indication Owen had been struck by a vehicle.

Owen was walking at 4 a.m. in the 200 block of Plus Park Boulevard when the men drove by, police said.

Investigators think Owen stumbled and fell down.

The men, thinking they had hit her with the vehicle, got out of the pickup and Idelfonso shot her, Swisher said.

The detective said he did not know why Owen was walking in that area at that time.

At Idelfonso's detention hearing yesterday in Davidson County Juvenile Court, Owen's brother, David Owen, told WKRN-Channel 2 that he had been sobbing all day and was still in shock. Attempts by The Tennessean to contact David Owen were unsuccessful last night.

''She had a great attitude and was always smiling,'' he told WKRN. ''She just loved everybody.''

Little is known about the victim, a self-employed house cleaner who had at least a dozen addresses in the past 10 years.

Attempts to reach those who knew her at her most recent address, an apartment on Thompson Place, were unsuccessful.

A judge ruled at the juvenile detention hearing that Idelfonso will remain in custody on the charges and scheduled a hearing March 2 to determine whether the teen will be tried as an adult, Assistant District Attorney Jeff Burks said.

Although Marcelino-Quintero did not pull the trigger, he was charged with murder because he was the driver of the pickup, had knowledge of the shooting, and cleaned the murder weapon and placed it at his ex-girlfriend's apartment on Thompson Place, Swisher said.

There was no indication that the suspects knew the victim.

Before the killing the suspects had been shooting at cars in the parking lot of Berkeley Ridge Apartments on Plus Park Boulevard, about a block from the suspects' apartment, Swisher said.

After the slaying, they drove to Marcelino-Quintero's ex-girlfriend's apartment, cleaned the gun and fell asleep, he said.

Investigators arrested them after a witness told police he had seen them shooting at cars and recognized them. Police then went to their apartment, where a roommate told them they had said they had hit a woman with their pickup and then shot her.

Police found them at the ex-girlfriend's apartment, brought them in for an interview, and they admitted the shooting, Swisher said.

Fetus death law fans controversy

Tennessee is among 28 states with laws allowing prosecutors to seek a murder charge when a fetus is killed. These state laws, and a proposed federal law, the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, have stirred controversy between anti-abortion and abortion-rights advocates.

If a person can be charged with murder for killing a fetus, some anti-abortion advocates argue that women who have abortions also should be charged with murder.

Deputy District Attorney Tom Thurman said Tennessee's law applies to any fetus that is viable, or able to live outside of the womb. Thurman said his office does not have the file on the Tracy Owen case, and that the medical examiner's office will have to determine whether her fetus was viable.



Thank God TN has the death penalty. Just goes to show that the world is full of people with no regard for life, and that is up to the individual to protect themselves. Ironically, Oleg mentioned in his model search post that he was considering doing a poster about a pregnant woman defending herself. Such a poster would be especially poignant here in Nashville right now.

Frank
 
:cuss: :banghead: :fire: :cuss: :banghead: :fire:

Hmmm...don't want to get in trouble, so let's kill her. *** makes people think in terms like this? These are the kind of people that make you think of medieval torture chairs and the iron maiden.

Travis
 
At the risk of sounding racist, how much do you want to bet that those 2 are a couple of the 'undocumented workers' (read: illegal aliens) that GWB wants to legalize?

One more death chalked up to our lack of an effective border. :fire:
 
Antonio Dejesus Idelfonso, 17, and Eliseo Marcelino-Quintero, 22, told police they killed the woman because they thought they had hit her with their pickup truck and were afraid they would get into trouble, Swisher said.
:fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss:
When's their date with the rope/needle/Ol'Sparky/whatever?
I guess it doesnt really matter; once the general prison population finds out what they did, they'll probably be mincemeat by dinner time.

Kharn
 
GRRRRRRRR

I can't remember reading anything recently that makes me as angry as this does. I'm gonna go to the range now and vent some frustration. I can't comment any further and still take the high road.
 
Usually, I don't support the death penalty as justice isn't always a sure thing, especially with so many juries seemingly populated by monkies...

But, there is a condession in this case, so the burden of evidence is satisfied. These two need the chair, a rope, or something slow and painful, not quick and painless.
 
That was my thought also, undocumented aliens. Mexico will throw up a stink for sure if these guys get the death penalty, which they should.
 
Y'all take a deep breath

I see no reason to discuss the race or country of origin of the perpetrators of what may well be the second most heinous crime I have ever been aware of.

I saw nothing in the article to indicate whether they were here legally or illegally. If it turns out they are illegals it would surely cast a cloud over GWB's new "let them all stay and have jobs" legislation, and could very well cost him the presidency.

What we should be worried about, and perhaps even ashamed of, is the society than was responsible for the development of the mindset, and lack of morality, that produced these two pieces of subhuman slime.

Whatever possessed them to even think for one nanosecond that assinating someone they thought they struck with a motor vehicle was anywhere close to OK?

I must stop commenting now as the above is all I can say while still taking the high road. To comment further would turn into a socio-psychological thesis of the relative merits of bamboo shoots, exacto knives and meat grinders.
 
Bear sums up much ..... and I too feel great anger at this ''execution'' style homicide. If the foetus was all but full term then I can see no ''gray'' areas concerned with abortion at all - quite irrelevant ... the lil one was all but ready to greet the world ..... but also dies. Murder, par excellance.

This is one of those cases where the gut reaction calls for vigilante justice ... to see a quick (not too quick) severe and aweful retribution. These thugs deserve no more of our oxygen. Note the following ...
Before the killing the suspects had been shooting at cars in the parking lot of Berkeley Ridge Apartments
Just great eh .... wonderful fodder for the anti's .. yet again .... I hope their guns were not legally aquired ... but then the media will not be concerned with this ..... it'll be the same ole ''gun=bad''. :mad:

I could say way more .. but as with Bear .. I could not stay anywhere near the high road if i did.
 
Current news speculation is that the victim may have actually been going in to labor and stumbled as the perps drove near her-causing them to think they may have hit her. I'd like to comment on what I'd like to do to them but that may be construed as a violation of their rights or as a conspiracy to commit a felony (which it would be). If they knew what I and many others had in mind for them the death penalty might seem like a better alternative.
 
As was pointed out, the perpetrator's race or country of origin is really no more relevant than the comment in the story about the victim's having had more than a dozen addresses in the past 10 years.

The Plus Park Blvd part of town has been steadily going downhill in recent years. A friend of mine used to have an apartment over there - it was pretty bad and that was 7 years ago.

As for the scum and their crime - there's no high road way of discussing this. I get too angry just thinking about it.
 
What we should be worried about, and perhaps even ashamed of, is the society than was responsible for the development of the mindset, and lack of morality, that produced these two pieces of subhuman slime.

It wasn't that long ago a young woman, intoxicated and high on ectasy, hit a man with her automobile. The man was vaulted through the windshield and was stuck either there or in the backseat.

The woman drove home and parked the car in her garage. From time to time she went out to check on the man, who repeatedly pleaded with her to help him. After he died, she enlisted the aid of her friends to dump his body elsewhere. She then tried to dispose of the evidence, her car by dismantling it.

Her undoing was she bragged to her friends how she had "hit a white man" with her car. When the police found the body and the medical examiner suggested the man was hit by a car somewhere else, people started to talk.

It apparently took the man three days to die, stuck in her car.

Pilgrim
 
Let's not rag on the immigrants

Nowhere did I read into that article that the two culprits are here illegally or are not U.S. citizens. That they are dirtbags is indisputable.
 
I think we need to have the Air Force return them to their native land ... say from 30,000 feet, butt naked.

(Listen for the whistle before they impact.)

Lock and load.
 
Hang em! Torture em! Tear out their guts and burn em before thier eyes!

Theyve been charged...the newspaper reported all the facts...they must be guilty.

Unless they were white guys with anti govt literature shooting cops! Darn lying newspapers! How dare they be charged!


WildlettheflamesbeginAlaska
 
Wild,

I think you missed something:

Antonio Dejesus Idelfonso, 17, and Eliseo Marcelino-Quintero, 22, told police they killed the woman because they thought they had hit her with their pickup truck and were afraid they would get into trouble, Swisher said.

That whole 'confession' thing pretty much affirms their guilt as far as I'm concerned. Metro PD isn't known to beat prisoners with rubber hoses to get confessions. Also, the reason he shot her shows me that he has little or no regard for human life. He's also failed to impress me with his remorse for the act.

I say send him to prison where he can be Bubba's new play toy. I'd feel the same way if he were a Republican-party membership card carrying WASP. What he did is deplorable and no punshment is harsh enough for him.

Frank

P.S. No flames intended, just my opinion.
 
That whole 'confession' thing pretty much affirms their guilt as far as I'm concerned. Metro PD isn't known to beat prisoners with rubber hoses to get confessions

O really??? How do ya know?

Wildyameanthereactuallyaregoodcops?Alaska
 
duhhhhh wild!!! good ol white boys would have rushed her to the hospital! so the newspapers accounts HAVE to be true! only a foold would think otherwise.
:neener:

i dont think the two guys should be killed. they deserve it, but that would make their suffering too quick. i say castrate them, amputate their legs and arms, tattoo "I killed a pregnant woman" to their face, and make them ineligible for government assisstance. let them survive on the streets off handouts and whatever charity the liberals feel like giving them.
oh yeah, cut out their tongues too.
 
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