Yup. I was assuming (we know what they say about that) that the OP was speaking of an AR. The Accurate velocities are with a universal receiver and a 24 inch barrel. I suppose a quality bolt gun using quality brass and a 24 inch tube could get close.
Premo 223 & black bear
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Well, I've opted for .308, but to each his own.
WestKentucky
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223...negative. I prefer to be more heavily armed than my quarry...in this case he has more than a dozen switchblades ready to cut you AND he's bigger and stronger than any "bubba" you can find in a redneck bar.
Minimum rounds would be:
Bolt: .243win 110gr
Lever: 30-30 150gr
Semi: 7.62x39
Shotgun: 20ga
Single: 50-90 sharps...bastard better fall down whole I'm reloading.
Preferred rounds:
Bolt : anything parent case .30-06. I would go .270win with a 150 gr ballistic tip.
Lever : 44 mag or 35 rem
Semi: 308 165 gr ballistic tip
Shotgun 12ga
Single, still 50-90. I wouldn't go in the woods with anything less if I only had one round.
Minimum rounds would be:
Bolt: .243win 110gr
Lever: 30-30 150gr
Semi: 7.62x39
Shotgun: 20ga
Single: 50-90 sharps...bastard better fall down whole I'm reloading.
Preferred rounds:
Bolt : anything parent case .30-06. I would go .270win with a 150 gr ballistic tip.
Lever : 44 mag or 35 rem
Semi: 308 165 gr ballistic tip
Shotgun 12ga
Single, still 50-90. I wouldn't go in the woods with anything less if I only had one round.
Victoratsea
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use enough gun !
I 've done some black bear hunting. IME you have to put down black bears with the first shot. Bears are much tougher than deer. A good center shot in the heart- lungs with a standard traditional deer rifle will usually put them down, however, a light hit might only enrage a bear. If he runs you'll probably never find him, and God help you if he charges. Enraged bears will absorb amazing amounts of heavy lead. I've seen this first hand. Do your self, your buddies, and the bears the humane service of using at least a real big game gun with heavy sturdy bullits.
I 've done some black bear hunting. IME you have to put down black bears with the first shot. Bears are much tougher than deer. A good center shot in the heart- lungs with a standard traditional deer rifle will usually put them down, however, a light hit might only enrage a bear. If he runs you'll probably never find him, and God help you if he charges. Enraged bears will absorb amazing amounts of heavy lead. I've seen this first hand. Do your self, your buddies, and the bears the humane service of using at least a real big game gun with heavy sturdy bullits.
Captcurt
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No Thanks.
Then you have the fat factor to contend with. A big bear fattened up for winter has an automatic bullet hole plug. Double lung one and he can cover 100 yards. Take out one lung and he can double that. With a plugged exit and entrance hole you get no blood trail. Sorry guys but I want a hole big enough to leave a trail that a blind man could follow. A 223 isn't going to fit my criteria.
Then you have the fat factor to contend with. A big bear fattened up for winter has an automatic bullet hole plug. Double lung one and he can cover 100 yards. Take out one lung and he can double that. With a plugged exit and entrance hole you get no blood trail. Sorry guys but I want a hole big enough to leave a trail that a blind man could follow. A 223 isn't going to fit my criteria.
TimSr
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Double lung shots kill somewhat quickly, but often may put an animal down right away. The safest shot for game you would consider to be dangerous is a lung shot via the shoulder with enough gun to not be direction-altered when it smashes through heavy shoulder bone. Like I said, use something big enough that you won't have to ponder whether it can accomplish that.
ApacheCoTodd
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Sounds like a recipe for "death by many .22 holes".
Probably courting unnecessary torture of the critters with a .223.
Absolutely possible but so many odds are against simple success. Kinda borders on irresponsible practice to me.
The world's full of folk who had an uncle who killed eleventy-seven deer a year with his trusty .22lr (seems about like going after a fatty bear with a .223). Legality aside, that ain't most of us and in point of fact, probably ain't most of them either.
Good on the OP for seeking outside advice beforehand.
Todd.
Probably courting unnecessary torture of the critters with a .223.
Absolutely possible but so many odds are against simple success. Kinda borders on irresponsible practice to me.
The world's full of folk who had an uncle who killed eleventy-seven deer a year with his trusty .22lr (seems about like going after a fatty bear with a .223). Legality aside, that ain't most of us and in point of fact, probably ain't most of them either.
Good on the OP for seeking outside advice beforehand.
Todd.
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Like everyone else has said, .223 is a no go for bears. Especially if you get what my bear hunting group calls a "garbage bear." Basically they fatten themselves up on trash. It is amazing what I have seen those bear "shake off" during a drive. IMO it would be really unethical to shoot one with a .223.
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