Preparing for the Worst; Shootings at School Simulated

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The Daily News of Los Angeles July 18, 2003 Friday, Santa Clarita Edition

Preparing for the Worst; Shootings at School Simulated




NEWHALL - With his last breath, 12-year-old Matt Grant lifted his finger to show a team of sheriff's deputies the whereabouts of a make-believe gunman running loose at Placerita Junior High, then keeled over against a brick wall.

"I got shot in the chest and had to show them where the guy went," said Grant of Saugus, who took part in a school shooting drill Thursday for Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies.

Armed with pistols of solid plastic, some 25 Santa Clarita deputies navigated through a series of victims and a half-dozen screaming children, while picking up clues along the way that would lead them to their man.


It's all intended to give deputies the skills to react to the unthinkable, said Detective Pat O'Neill, a sheriff's juvenile crime investigator who organized the exercise.

"The bad guys could be anywhere and the situation can change any time," he said. "You have to get the guys to think on their feet."

Traditionally, school shootings are handled by special tactical units. But Detective Chris Henning said it could take up to an hour for a Special Weapons and Tactics team to reach Santa Clarita. He said it's up to local sheriff's deputies - usually the first ones on scene - to help stem further loss of life until reinforcements arrive.

"That was one of the problems in Columbine," he said, referring to the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., that left 15 people, including the two gunmen, dead. "They waited for the SWAT team to arrive."

A group of children recruited by O'Neill's 13-year-old daughter Tracy added another hurdle. Some sprawled on picnic tables feigning injuries while others kept deputies on their toes by leaping out from around corners. Others offered deputies key information about the suspect - if they were asked the right questions.

"They can suddenly jump out at you," O'Neill said. "The kids make it more realistic."

In the day's final exercise, a team of deputies filed through the quad as several gunshots - blanks, of course - rang out from behind a portable building, sending a group of children scurrying their way. One deputy asked the children where the gunman went, then sent them away.

They finally caught up with a rifleman played by Henning. With the deputies' toy guns pointed at him, he went down after a few cries of "bang, bang."

"The hardest part was dealing with the students that are running out," said Deputy Robert Wilkinson. "We're training so we can respond to these situations to the best of our abilities."

For Tracy O'Neill, a student at Arroyo Seco Junior High, school shootings are another anxiety today's teens must live with.

"You don't think about it every day," she said. "But it does get in my mind every once in a while."

Eugene Tong, (661) 257-5253
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Not too long after Columbine, a Phoenix area police department (Scottsdale, IIRC) practiced just this scenario. In the news articles that reported on the exercise, the police spokesman, when asked how they would judge a successful exercise--and I'm not making this up--said that they saw a successful end to a 'Columbine' scenario if only 30 kids got killed.

Of course the NEA and the Democrats want all schools to be 'Gun-Free' zones, but if they get a classroom full of kids killed because of their position, at least they can say they care more about kids than do the evil conservatives.
 
This is called Active Shooter Training

And it's sweeping the LE community. After Columbine, it was recognized that the SOPs that called for establishing an inner and outer perimeter and waiting for SWAT was not an adequate response.

Ironically this is just a return to the way things were when I started. Old doctrine (circia 1985 or so) was that whoever was iinitially in charge on the scene had to make a SHTF plan in case the shooting was still going on or began before SWAT could arrive. At some point we got away from that.

Jeff
 
OK. Let's re-run the exercise except that this time all of the teachers/admin also have those pretend guns and can yell "bang bang" as soon as they spot the shooter. :neener:
 
Henry Bowman, I agree.

Lets also re-run excersises for Colleges with Admin., Instructors , and students with CCW allowed in classrooms, on campus, and related buildings. Lets make note of incidents of rape, assault and the like when walking out to one's vehicle after dark.

And instead of another "sport" facility , use the monies for on campus indoor firing range. I can think of no better 2 hour elective credit than an "Intro to Handgun" Section 1911. What fun and educational homework that would be.
 
As is the case most of the time, these are after the fact drills.

Kids are all already dead. Acceptable losses are preached.

When will they learn "PREVENTION" is the key.
 
As is the case most of the time, these are after the fact drills.
Kids are all already dead. Acceptable losses are preached.
When will they learn "PREVENTION" is the key.

Please explain how this could be prevented. I have never heard acceptable losses mentioned in any of these classes I've ever been in.

Jeff
 
Jeff,
To address your two questions:

1. Prevention is simple.

Allow concealed or open carry in our schools by the adults.

The problem is government and law enforcement look at it from the point of view of "what can we do". The answer is nothing.

Its up to each and every individual to protect themselves if we were allowed to all the time.


2. Acceptable losses? No spin please, how do you explain the following quote:

the police spokesman, when asked how they would judge a successful exercise--and I'm not making this up--said that they saw a successful end to a 'Columbine' scenario if only 30 kids got killed.

30 kids are an acceptable loss.
 
sons and daughters
Is an acceptable loss.




Personally, my school never had a plan, the BPD never came and trained the kids what to do, or even came and looked at the campus (which was a deathtrap) and said "this is how we'll do things".


so i suppose that when put up against the extra time you save by not giving a crap, 30 kids dead is an acceptable loss.
 
Open carry in the school?


Works here in Israel.

My opinion? Kill the NFA. Allow any law-abiding adult to carry any conventional weapon he pleases, including teachers. Put armed guards in schools

Now visualise a school shooting were the would-be attacker is twitching in agony as the Headmaster, the Maths teacher, and the History teacher shower him with rounds from their tactical MP5-PDW's, while the guard provides cover fire with his M4A1.
 
As a high school teacher, gun nut, and a student who lived through a school shooting, I think it would help. No, I couldn't be a hero and wander off to hunt down a killer (I need to evacuate the kids I'm with)...but at the very least, if the SOB walked into MY classroom, I could guarantee that he wouldn't walk out.

Open carry retention, with proper training, wouldn't be an issue. My concern would be for the kids who couldn't get past watching the gun on my hip...I'd prefer a concealed gun, and who knows? Maybe it would persuade my colleagues to dress like professionals (jackets, ties) and my administration to spring for air conditioning. :D :banghead:

More realistically, a weapon escalates a confrontation. The last thing I need it one of my punks daring me to shoot him. :rolleyes: Better for it to be legal and for them all to wonder...Even better if I could "lay hands" enough on a kid so that he'd be worried more about me reaching for his throat rather than a gun. ;)

Ohio, I believe, recently made this legal. My state (NH) has no laws on the books against it...And the school policy is that they follow "All applicable laws." As far as I read it, it means as the holder of a CC license, I'm not only legal to carry on school grounds, but also allowed by school policy...however, I like my career enough that I'm not gonna test it. :)

Besides...we're lucky enough to have an SRO in the building. :cool:
 
I believe SRO is one of the common acronyms for School Resource Officer...basically a city cop who's assigned to that school. He makes friends, gets to know who the bad kids are, and is there in the event of an emergency.
 
Federal law specifically exempts holders of a state's permit...so it's no objection. I believe Utah (not Ohio :rolleyes: ) recently passed a state law making it perfectly permissable.

AZlibertarian was right on. :cool:
 
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