Pres appoints Sec Bolton Amb to U.N

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Plus, I might be mistaken, but is it legal for the President to assign ambassador without consent of Congress? If it is illegal for him to do so... Heh, well... Nice knowing we have a criminal in the White House who doesn't give a flip about the Constitution and US laws.

You are very much mistaken. The power to appoint ambassadors during breaks in Congress' schedule is in fact written into the Constitution itself:

Art.II, Section 2, Clause 3: The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
 
Congress has had MONTHS to make a decision on Bolton. They've had their chance - and the Constitution says "advise and consent", not "authorize", and specifies conditions where business continues when Congress is absent. Having blown their opportunity, they're stuck.

Payback's a ... .
 
I don't believe that Bolton - or anyone else for that matter - can effect any substantive change that makes the UN relevent to American interests.

It is politically too expensive to simply pull out of the U.N. at this time. However, if we send in Bolton, he will raise **** over everything that the U.N. is used to getting away with. I predict that the U.S.'s relationship with the U.N. is going to get "worse". Then we will pull the plug.

That's my hope, however. :)
 
It is politically too expensive to simply pull out of the U.N. at this time.
Were it another administration I would agree with you; however, this administration hasn't seemed too concerned with world opinion in the past. On the other hand, if this administration ultimately comes to the conclusion that something needs to be done about Iran, it will need all of the farvorable world opinion it can get unless we decide to go it alone.
 
You can't have a vote if the other side is filibustering.
True. Unfortunately, the Republicans don't have the testicular fortitude to actually make the Democrats filibuster.
 
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True. Unfortunately, the Republican's don't have the testicular fortitude to actually make the Democrats filibuster.
The people calling the shots for Dubya aren't stupid and they can count so my guess would be that they were certain they couldn't get the 60 votes needed for cloture and might not have had the 51 needed for ratification of his nomination if the filibuster didn't materialize- at least not without airing their soiled laundry.
 
Flyboy

as long as it was like the old days, the senator had to continue to talk non-stop, no restroom breaks, sleep breaks, etc. Never happen
 
60 Libertarians might get the job done. 60 Republicans are just 60 representatives of the Democratic (sic) party in political drag.

Until the Libretarians get big enough to have 60 senators, in which case tehy will probably become just as bad as the other two.
 
Way to go, "Dubya"!

Knowing what the I.A.N.S.A. types are like (Rebecca Peters comes to mind)
we can certainly use someone like Bolton at the U.N. to oppose their agenda.

John doesn't merely stand up to them,

he knocks down their card houses too! :D
 
You can't have a vote if the other side is filibustering.
The thing is, they aren't filibustering. They just state that they have "questions" and that acts like a fiulibuster because the Republicans don't have the testicular fortitude to make them actually filibuster. If they had to actually filibuster, it would be over and Bolton would be confirmed in a week.

The greatest failing of the Republican party is that now that they have the Presidency and both houses of Congress they have acomplished virtually nothing.

Edit: Great minds think alike - I posted this without even seeing Flyboy's post above.
 
I'm glad to hear that some of you like DocZinn and FlyBoy have pointed out that the Dems have only THREATENED filibuster. The Republicans have never actually gotten the necessary spine transplant to say "Go ahead! We'll see what you're made of! We'll sit here, and just wait you out." How likely it is that Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy would have the endurance to go for 12 to 24 hours of nonstop talk, on his feet? Unfortunately, I think that part of this is also due to some of the Republicans valuing their own personal comfort and convenience more than breaking the back of the filibuster threat by forcing the issue and then running the Dems into the ground. :fire:

FWIW, one man's opinion.......

emc
 
With the Liberal Democrats and their ways of being obstructionists in just about everything that's good for the country, I'm not surprised about President Bush's decision to bypass the Senate and appoint John Bolton during recess. It's under-handed, but so what? Everyone talks about reform at the U.N. and if Democrats had their way in appointing a U.N. Ambassador, U.N. reform wouldn't have gotten anywhere beyond just talk and rhetoric.

In my opinion the U.N. is about as worthless as a leather jacket in Phoenix in the middle of July, and having Bolton as our abassador is the first step to reform the U.N.

The second step is to get rid of Annan.
 
Emc --
How likely it is that Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy would have the endurance to go for 12 to 24 hours of nonstop talk, on his feet?
I would love to have a tape of that... Teddy hasn't had an original thought since he was born, and since he has pickled his brain, It would be most entertaining.

The Repubs are catering to the Socialist Mainstream Media, with their pussyfooting. They still are afraid that they will get slammed. They should figure out that the SMSM is done, and even if they slam the Repubs, not many people are listening.

They should slam these leftists like Fat Teddy. Make them come on TV. Let the people hear their speeches.
 
re: John Bolton, or Johnny as I knew him...

I just discovered, thanks to my dad's good guesstimation and my research, that we grew up on the same block in southwest Baltimore. He was a year ahead of me in school and then earned a scholarship to a McDonough Military. Yep, verified the parents' and sister's names, his dad was a fireman, everything fits. Small world.

He was smart, very smart, even back then.

John
 
60 Libertarians might get the job done. 60 Republicans are just 60 representatives of the Democratic (sic) party in political drag.
A rediculous statement.

First off, to think that there will ever be ONE libertarian senator, never mind 60, is the height of delusional thinking. After 30 YEARS, the libertarians never got a STATE senator elected, and only a tiny handful of state reps. The libertarians have wasted their opportunity to be a real alternative for America, mostly through sheer incompetence.

And to equate the republicans to the Democrats, is just plain dumb. The national republicans have just pushed through a tremedous bill for gun owners, in the face of vicious democratic opposition. On the state level, the republicans have drastically increased the RKBA, again with the Democrats fighting tooth and nail against them.

Simply put, there might not be the degree of difference you might like, but to say there is no difference is laughably ignorant.
 
Rebar +1

I'd vote Libertarian if they had some decent candidates. It never will happen.

They don't know who they are.

The Republicans are the only choice. The Demogogs are run by socialist leftists of the worst order. Gun grabbing, high taxing, vote buying (with my money) socialist statists.
 
Bolton is a message from Bush to the UN. A message long overdue.

Some question Bolton's credibility and fitness for the job. How credible and fit are the brother-in-laws and cousins of dictators that populate the UN? He'll do fine.

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I, personally, would have preferred a "stealth" ambassador appointed to the UN -- somebody who had similar attitudes as Bolton about the quality of the UN leadership, but who was much less confrontational and obnoxious about it. Jean Kirkpatrick was such an ambassador some time back, and I'm sure there are others of her calibre and intellect still floating around and willing to serve.

Folks who are constantly spoiling for a fight seldom get anything but fights -- as came out in Bolton's appointment debates. And it wasn't just Democrats who were unsure of Bolton -- a significant number of Republicans were concerned, too. While only a few spoke out, there's little question that many more were uneasy. That's clearly why the White House never forced a vote.

As a part-time student of political science, I've come to realize that one of the most important powers of the president is his "reputation for power." Ronald Reagan had a reputation for power that exceeded reality, but because it existed, his power to get things done often matched his reputation.

Bush viewed his reelection as a mandate, and immediately set out to use some of that "political capital." It may have been a mandate, or it may have been a refutation of his opponent. There is a difference.

Nowadays, however, it looks like Bush's political capital has been overdrawn. His "reputation for power," has been dwindling of late -- with even the Senate Majority leader going his own way with regard to Stem-Cell Research funding. His popularity in the polls continues to degrade, and more and more members of Congress feel free to free-lance.

I'd argue that putting Bolton forward in the first place was a blunder; Bush's people should have done a better job of testing the water so that Bush wasn't faced with a "failure" at time when his general level of success has been so low.

Bush and his team seem to understand how to read and lead the general public, but have been seemingly maladroit at dealing with Congress.

(Most of our past presidents have made it a practice to consult with the opposition, to test the waters, and to ask for feedback; even if it was simply a ploy, the "game" seemed to mollify the opposition and made them more pliable. Bush has more often taken an "in your face" approach. That seems to backfire as often as it succeeds; he apparently seldom consults with the opposition -- even though that was one of his stated goals for his first term. Reagan, on the other hand, seemed to develop real friendships with some of his opponents -- and that can pay off, big time when the going gets tough.)

Some here feel Bush "won" the battle with a recess appointment, but I think it was a very shallow win, and it just points to his weaknesses. With a strong majority in the Senate, he should NEVER have needed to make a recess appointment; it just made his lack of control obvious. In fact, the Bolton appointment may have HELPED the Democrats rather than hurt them.

You are all, of course, free to disagree, but things are seldom as they seem in American politics.
 
Thoughtful post Walt!

With a strong majority in the Senate, he should NEVER have needed to make a recess appointment; it just made his lack of control obvious.

Exactly. 55 GOP Senators. You don't have enough pull as President to get five Democrats to side with you on cloture? Even some of the Republicans were jumping ship. It is possible that he wouldn't have been approved if they had gone to a vote. Now that would have been a slap to the head!

And Walt also wrote:

Bush and his team seem to understand how to read and lead the general public, but have been seemingly maladroit at dealing with Congress.

(Most of our past presidents have made it a practice to consult with the opposition, to test the waters, and to ask for feedback; even if it was simply a ploy, the "game" seemed to mollify the opposition and made them more pliable. Bush has more often taken an "in your face" approach. That seems to backfire as often as it succeeds; he apparently seldom consults with the opposition -- even though that was one of his stated goals for his first term. Reagan, on the other hand, seemed to develop real friendships with some of his opponents -- and that can pay off, big time when the going gets tough.)

Amen. Bush and the Republicans won convincingly but they can't seem to really pull together to set an agenda and pass legislation. We finally got an energy bill but that was just because the price of gasoline got so high! Otherwise it would STILL be a non-starter. Bush put a lot of his credibility on the line over Social Security reform. But did anything get passed or even seriously discussed and voted on in Congress? Not yet. I actually thought he showed a lot of guts to TRY to get people to talk about reforming SS but he didn't seem to quite know how to build some kind of consensus. It doesn't do any good to be "right" about the solution if you can't get anything passed!

I worry that the GOP is wasting their chance. Perhaps not surprising when you consider we are a coalition party. How are libertarians and the deeply religious supposed to agree about a lot of social policies? I _would_ like to see SS reformed in many ways. I _would_ like to see school vouchers and public school reform. I would like to see a new generation of atomic power plants being designed and built. I don't give a damn about abortion or prayer in school or even burning the flag.

I just want to see national leaders approach problems with reasoning and intelligence and with the overall ideology that Jefferson was right. It really is true "That government is best which governs the least." I don't need my government to be my nanny or my Big Brother. I just want them to do the basics in a respectful and economical way.

Gregg
 
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