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what's a fair price for a 'new in box' norinco 1911a1?? found one locally and am deciding whther to pick it up. don't really need one right now, but i understand these aren't easy to come by anymore. is this correct??

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I had one in blue many years ago, a great shooting reliable gun that held up very well.

Sold it, bought one in nickel, same experience as the blued one. I sold it, wish I had it back. Hard to find now.
 
I got my NIB Nork last Dec. for $360 OTD. I agree with Dan; $400 would be a good price.
 
Bought one last year for $299. Don't think I can find another for that price.
 
Not easy to come by, but at the same time, you can find similar quality 1911A1 GI pattern models for around $400. While the Norincos are decent, the Rock Islands, SA GIs, and similar are also quite good.

Keep that in mind. Just because something labelled "Norinco" might be hard to find, you can still get basically the same thing for not much.
 
If you think an RIA is the same as a Nork, ask Wilson to work on one--good luck with that.

I paid $395 NIB about two years ago and had Don Williams put about some work into it. Sweet.
 
Personally, I would be too embarassed to ask Wilson to work on either RIA or a Nork.

If I'm going to spend time and money trying to polish a turd into a diamond, then I'm going to start with the best turd I can... That would be a Springfield Mil-Spec, for those purposes. Otherwise it makes more financial sense to buy what features you want in the first place. Many people agree with that assessment, hence Wilson, Ed Brown, Nighthawk, Rock River, SA Custom Shop, Kimber, and others wouldn't be in business.

Don't take that bit of humor the wrong way, but I hope you see my point.
 
The steel in a Nork is of almost legendary quality--it is the foundation of many a great, highly tuned gun. The internals are suspect, but that is the stuff you replace anyway. If you would be embarrassed to ask Wilson to work on on a Nork, you need to do some more research. An RIA, on the other hand, they would throw back at you.

You really can't do better for the foundation of a custom gun than a Nork. An RIA is not even in the same universe.
 
I don't know if you understood my point or not, but I have personal inhibitions about supporting an active rival of the US. The only research I needed to conclude my decision was the discovery of the country of origin of the Norinco brand and product. I would choose one of the other six brands listed before I chose a Nork to have custom work done on. When $2000 is invested in a Nork, it's still a Nork IMO.

Nothing personal against you, but I felt I must state why I would be too embarassed to send one to Wilson or one of the other premier 1911 'smiths.

I may be backwards or archaic, but I tend to stick to my principles.
 
Well, your principles are your own, but no Norks have been brought into the US for 12 years, so all the money for them that would be going to Red China went LONG ago. From then on out, it's just among us.

You can't say the same thing every time you go to Walmart or Target, however, so maybe your principles would work better there.
 
asknight,

The frame comment on the Norinco (being of legendary quality) is accurate. I guess I don't understand the "active rival" comment, please, don't take this offensively.

There is currently enourmous collaboration taking place between China and the US, medically, technically, and business wise. China recently announced that even though they have IBCM's with multiple nuclear warheads, they would never be classified as a "first strike" nation. I know several people that have traveled to China in the last few years and they indicated the Chinese were very friendly, many were able to speak some english, and they felt safe and comfortable.

I don't like them being a communist bloc nation, but they have embraced capitalism in big way. Isn't that the first step?
 
I do understand your point. I catch myself all the time looking at the tag of clothing in attempts to determine it's country of origin. Part of my purchasing decision of all things is where it was made. Granted, on some things it's impossible to have an American made product, but guns isn't one of them.

I just can't be as prideful of ownership of a Nork as I can a genuinely American designed and built 1911.
 
schmeky, no offense taken. I intended it to read as rivals in Capitalism. A rival who has retained Communism as their form of Govt. Additionally, a rival who actively and publicly supports our enemies (Iran, DPRK, etc) with the dollars earned from our economy. Lastly, a rival who has began an arms race against us.
 
I'm going to start with the best turd I can... That would be a Springfield Mil-Spec, for those purposes.
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I just can't be as prideful of ownership of a Nork as I can a genuinely American designed and built 1911.
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Granted, on some things it's impossible to have an American made product, but guns isn't one of them.
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A little more research may be in order, start here
The standard 1911 pistols are manufactured and assembled in Brazil. Company Co-Chairman Dennis Reese stated they have full-time personnel in Brazil, paid by Springfield, Inc., to supervise the assembly of these pistols. The final product is guaranteed to be as good as the ones they made in the USA.
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I knew someone was going to call me out on that point.

Brazil isn't a rival to us like China.

Springfield, Inc is an American company who is succumbing like so many others to outsourcing.

Technically, the SA Mil-Spec is not "built" in Brazil either. It's frame is made there, but the "product" is finished and assembled here in the US. Thus the reason I still called the Mil-Spec a turd as the Nork and RIA.

Additionally, no American company has full time personnel in China working at Norinco with assembly oversight, much less who can also guarantee that the product is as good as one made in the US.
 
Brazil isn't a rival to us like China.
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It also ain't American and cannot produce a "genuinely American designed and built 1911"
no American company has full time personnel in China working at Norinco with assembly oversight, much less who can also guarantee that the product is as good as one made in the US.
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Wouldn't make much sense anyway, Norinco no longer imports 1911s to America.
Mr. Mao's minions have seen every penney that they will ever see from them so the supporting the rival thing also doesn't apply
Technically, the SA Mil-Spec is not "built" in Brazil either. It's frame is made there, but the "product" is finished and assembled here in the US. Thus the reason I still called the Mil-Spec a turd as the Nork and RIA.
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As long as we're rationalizing
Wouldn't a Norinco that has been tuned by an American company be considered to have been finished in America and therefore as American as your brazillian made SA, as long as we're rationalizing.
Brazil isn't a rival to us like China.
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Depends on who you want to argue with
http://www.radicalmiddle.com/x_enemies.htm
 
Almost forgot

$350 to $400 is a fair price to pay for a NIB Norinco.

I have two and have never replaced a single part in either of them and never had a single hiccup in either.

I actually have three but one is in pieces and I have never bothered to put it back together so I don't really know how it would shoot
 
Wouldn't a Norinco that has been tuned by an American company be considered to have been finished in America and therefore as American as your brazillian made SA, as long as we're rationalizing.
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Sadly, no.

Springfield doesn't just tune the pistols. They finish machining the frame, fit it to a slide, assemble the complete product, test it, tune it, warranty it.

I was not rationalizing. At least not in the context in which you meant it, which was "To devise self-satisfying but incorrect reasons."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rationalizing

I apologize for stepping on your toes, which I have clearly done. Your statement of ownership clearly shows your allegiance to both the Norinco brand and product. As I said, I have my own principles, which I am entitled to, and you have yours.

Good day!
 
Proven, How Much Did Dealer Want for the Nork?

I'd take all I could get NIB Norks for $350, even $400. Might depend on what part of the country you're in, but some are going for more than $400. I have several and have had no malfunctions of any type. Love em! :)
 
Your statement of ownership clearly shows your allegiance to both the Norinco brand and product.
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A little off the mark. I also own a couple of Berettas that I don't particularly like worth a damn, I own quite a few Rugers whom I dispise and would never buy another new one even though they too have performed flawlessly and I don't particularly care whether you like any particular maker or not.
I just find your whole argument that SAs are if fact American to be a devised self-satisfying but incorrect reason
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rationalizing
By the way if you could see me you'd see that I'm smilin when I write this stuff, just havin fun
 
I think what happened in this thread is that somebody who didn't have the first clue what they were talking about (quote: "I think the RIA's compare favorably to the Norinco models") had their lack of knowledge exposed and, instead of just admitting it, have now come up with the most ridiculous ad hoc rationalizations for what was really a position just born of ignorance.

There is nothing wrong with not knowing everything out of the box--that's one big reason we come here, to learn. But if you say something stupid, it is usually better just to say"my bad--thanks for informing me" instead of digging a deeper hole with obviously inane arguments.

Anyone listening?
 
This is an interesting thread. I have two questions to throw out here.

First, if Springfield 1911's are built in Brazil, why do they have the
Croatian Shield stamped on the slide?

Secondly, why is the original 1911, Colt, left out of this discussion?
I think they build as good a pistol as anybody, or at least
they used to, so I would think they would be included in the
comparisons.

Just my wonderings,

Walter
 
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