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Price of ammo to shoot up

06:18 AM CDT on Thursday, August 9, 2007

By JAMES HOHMANN / The Dallas Morning News
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The baby needs milk. The car needs gas. The gun needs bullets.
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Rising dairy and oil prices grab the attention of shoppers and motorists. But the increasing price of ammunition – a consumer product the government considers when calculating the rate of inflation – has largely gone unnoticed.

The price increases began after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, then were compounded by a double whammy: the war in Iraq, which pushed up overall demand, and growing industrial powers such as China, which bid up the cost of needed raw materials.

The impact is widespread:

•Ammunition dealers complain of declining sales as they are forced to pass along rising costs to consumers.

•Hunters and gun enthusiasts, who initially stockpiled ammunition when prices spiked, are now making more of their own or shooting less.

•And police departments in the Dallas area are experiencing long delays in shipments and having to adjust training schedules accordingly.

"It's no good to have the gun without the ammunition," said Ken Mitchell, an ammunition dealer in Justin.

Manufacturers dramatically ramped up production after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, producing about 1.5 billion rounds last year – more than 3 ½ times the number manufactured in 2001, said Gale Smith, a spokeswoman for the Army's Joint Munitions Command Center in Rock Island, Ill.

But they struggle to keep up with the demand as troop deployments continue in the Middle East. Military spending on small-caliber ammunition increased from $242 million in 2001 to $688 million in 2006.

The ammunition business is also feeling the pinch because of the rising price of global commodities such as copper, brass, nickel, steel and lead.

For instance, China's torrent of construction has added to its manufacturing capacity. And the country is hungry for resources to feed its growth. The components needed to manufacture ammunition are also used for laying power lines and adding buildings to wider skylines.

"We were paying $1 a pound for copper two years ago. Now we're paying $3 per pound," said Brian Grace, a spokesman for Minnesota-based Alliant Techsystems, the military's biggest producer of small-caliber ammunition. "Not all the costs are being passed on. We've tried to soften the blow with supply chain management and improved efficiency."

Despite those efforts, dealers, hunters and law enforcement officers are feeling squeezed.

Stockpiling

Mr. Mitchell estimates that the volume of his ammo sales, which make up about half of his business, has dropped by more than half in the past two years.

Certain rounds, such as .223-caliber, used in the Army's M-16 and law enforcement's AR-15, have become increasingly difficult to find in the civilian market. Supplies of the .308 cartridge, the standard round for NATO and a favorite of hunters for its deadly effectiveness, have also tightened.

Some calibers cost only 10 percent more than a year ago; other varieties have more than doubled in price.

When prices started to rise, savvy gun owners stockpiled all they could get, sending prices even higher. Now dealers say that as soon as new supplies come in, customers snap them up.

"It doesn't matter if it's 50 cents or $3, whatever's cheapest gets bought up quick," said Robby Rucker, a manager at Southwest Ammunition Supply in Mesquite.

He said his wholesalers raise their prices from 3 percent to 10 percent each quarter. He expects more price increases in September.

That's a problem for Karl Pifer of Granbury, who specializes in manufacturing designer ammunition that costs more but performs better.

"The market is moving toward lower-quality and lower-cost ammunition that gets mass produced," said Mr. Pifer, owner of KC Precision Ballistics. "I try to stick with the prices I've got, but when they go up, it's hard. It hits me before it hits the customers."

When Mr. Pifer received a catalog in the mail last month for materials, he rushed online to place orders on the good deals. But he was too late. An e-mail in his inbox alerted him that prices had gone up since the catalog was distributed. It was, he said, the fourth increase in eight months.

Prices of factory-produced ammunition – and increased surcharges for shipping and handling – have gotten so high that more hunters are making their own in a process called hand loading.

"Guys on a budget are going back to hand loading with the price of ammo doing what it is," said Dallas resident Noel Hutcheson, 71, a retired stockbroker who hunts quail and ducks.

Sales of ammunition components such as empty cartridges and primers have grown at Mr. Rucker's family-run store each time retail prices for ready-to-use ammunition have gone up.

But do-it-yourself ammunition production isn't cheap either. Someone making his own shotgun shells is going to spend roughly a third more than last year on supplies, said Don Snyder, executive director of the National Skeet Shooting Association and the National Sporting Clays Association.

"There are some people who are shooting less," said Mr. Snyder of San Antonio, whose two groups have about 3,000 members in Texas. "It's just an additional cost to compete and enjoy our sport. There are a lot of people that jump in and pay the tariff and do it."

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No matter what the cost, the police need to pay. Law enforcement demand for ammunition grew after 9/11 as departments increased their officers' live fire training.

Several police officials said they are paying more for ammunition and experiencing delays for shipments.

But everyone from Fort Worth to Carrollton insists that public safety has not been compromised. Of eight departments surveyed, none has resorted to giving deputies fewer bullets or pulling guns out of service.

The Dallas Police Department, which spends roughly $500,000 annually on ammunition for about 3,000 officers, used to have orders filled in six weeks. Now it takes six to nine months, said Sgt. Paul Stanford, range master for the department.

The ammunition used in patrol rifles, identical to what the military needs, costs 35 percent more than two years ago, Sgt. Stanford said, rising from $84 a case to $114 a case.

And a case of 9 mm rounds, the standard for Dallas Police Department service weapons, costs 10 percent more than two years ago – going from $98.75 in 2005 to $108.15.

The impact on smaller departments, which often don't have a special relationship with wholesalers, can be even greater.

In Hurst, which has 72 officers, Assistant Chief Richard Winstanley needs to plan a year or more ahead for what his staff might need. He has to be especially proactive to keep .223 rounds in stock.

"We have to be patient," Chief Winstanley said. "Some training has to be put off until we receive the items."

While the police and other gun owners hope prices come down, they are adjusting to the reality of costlier ammunition.

"We're still buying bullets because we don't have any choice," Dallas' Sgt. Stanford said. "It's like gas. You have to absorb the cost."

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That thread title made me laugh... might have been better to say:

"Price of ammo to shoot up" says Dallas Morning News
 
The ammunition used in patrol rifles, identical to what the military needs, costs 35 percent more than two years ago, Sgt. Stanford said, rising from $84 a case to $114 a case.

What are they complaining about? I'd love to find a case of .223 for $114!!

Jim
 
The ammunition used in patrol rifles, identical to what the military needs, costs 35 percent more than two years ago, Sgt. Stanford said, rising from $84 a case to $114 a case.

:eek: Where are they getting their 5.56 and how do I get in on that deal?

I'm always amused at how long it takes the MSM to find out this sort of thing. These price increases have been going on for over two years...
Well I just heard off the AP that we are now no longer able to purchase newly made machineguns! :neener:
 
hurry, read all about it!

What, and do "they" think this will start some type of panic like the Wall St.
Crash, and we; like the sheep they are, will rush out into a buying frenzy and make this a self fulfilling prophesy?

Please turn to page two, here on the Gen. Gun Discussions and read the complimentary post by "Fat -46" about how it is about to get very expensive persuing our hobby! Now comes the newest one, and guess what, from a newspaper.
I hope no one is surprised by that.

It reveals the mind set of the "antis." They are unable to go about their lives enjoying the blessinings of the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, but are obsessed so much that they are compelled to enter sites deceptively, like here on THR, and attempt to peddle their schemes, lies, and set up socialist control.

It's infuriating.
 
just handload. the article says it all. ammo is high due to demand.
You'll end up paying for your press very quickly.... it costs me about $7 per 100 45acp, and $6 per 100 9mm's.

components from www.powdervalleyinc.com make it all possible. I don't know how he keeps stuff so cheap, but he does.
 
It might be a good idea to pick up all the range brass you can find even if you don't plan to reload it. I was at a local gunshop that manufactures muzzle loading supplies (Mountain State Manufacturing here in WV) where the owner was saying that brass is getting more expensive by the week. When you get enough brass you can't or don't use sell it for scrap - buy a press or more ammo or a melting pot and some bullet molds!
 
i buy monarch 9mm at academy sports, brass, $6.99/50 or $140/1,000.

i wonder why dont they make their ammo with just lead(no copper) and sell it much cheaper.
 
You can buy loaded ammo with no jacket at a lesser price than jacketed. It is not wise to shoot non jacketed bullets in polyagonal barrels like Glock factory barrels because of excessive fouling and you may (or may not) get lead fouling in a conventional barrel depending on the load. Copper plated bullets like Rainier or Barry's are less expensive and for me don't produce any fouling in loads under 1200 fps. - I seldom load faster than that and when I do use jacketed bullets. Another less expensive alternative to jacketed bullets are coated bullets. Two I have tried are MasterBlaster's Bullets and Precision Coated. In 9mm and 40 S&W I get too much fouling but I use Bullseye and Titegroup in these loads which are fast burning powders which is probably the cause. With 44 spl cowboy action loads (6.7gr Unique - avg 850 fps) my Vaqueros show no signs of fouling and shoot well. Does anyone know about the legality of coated bullets? I ask this because in the early 1980s S&W removed their "nyclad" ammunition from the market after the passage of a law prohibiting "cop killer bullets". The nyclads were nylon jacketed bullets which would reportedly go thru the body armor of the time. Both the Master Blaster and Precision Coated bullets are coated with a combination to teflon and other stuff which the selllers claim elininates fouling and increases velocity due to the coating reducing the friction. Could these be considered "cop Killer Bullets" like the nyclad? Precision claims to be safe for indoor shooting which non jacketed bullets are not
 
Certain rounds, such as .223-caliber, used in the Army's M-16 and law enforcement's AR-15, have become increasingly difficult to find in the civilian market.

Anyone found this to be true? Not I, never been a time that i've not seen this type on the shelf.

Anyway, welcome to 3 years ago, Dallas Morning News.
 
I have done my part to snatch up components. I have been buying as much brass as I can afford in certain calibers such as .45 and .223. Some bullets are VERY hard to now get in bulk. Try and get 1,000 .223 for a decent price. I reload .223 for about 15 cents. My friends use to laugh at me for reloading .223. Funny, they haven't been shooting their ARs much lately.
I wonder in the event that hostilities cease will the price of ammo go down?? I am not banking on it. It you shoot alot reloading is almost necessary. Those with deep pockets are of course excused.
 
Can you sell .22 shells for scrap? That stuff is everywhere by the pound at the range I frequent. Cant reload it, might as well sell it.
 
i wonder why dont they make their ammo with just lead(no copper) and sell it much cheaper.

Many indoor ranges these days no longer allow ammo with exposed lead. Drag, but there it is.
 
Little thread drift...

Federal picked up the Nyclad line from S&W and continued to produce it until fairly recently.
 
Can you sell .22 shells for scrap? That stuff is everywhere by the pound at the range I frequent. Cant reload it, might as well sell it.

I read an article in a gun rag years and years ago about using .22 LR cases to make .224 bullets. The case became the bullet jacket. I assume it was a Corbin press. Considering prices, the idea may come back into the mainstream!

Gregg
 
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