Prices on black powder guns on the way down?

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Looking on Gunbroker at the black powder revolvers and noticed that prices were not as high as they were a few months ago. Ruger Old armies are going begging at $475.00, a few months ago they were selling like hotcakes for $550-600.00. I gave up looking at the black powder section a few months ago because I thought the prices were getting too high. I have a couple of auctions on my watch list now. I guess the market is getting a bit saturated, over on the SAAS forum seems like all the oldtimers are retiring and selling their rigs.
 
GG,
I was B.S.ing at the OR State SASS shoot in Grants Pass this weekend and had someone state that "cowboy guns are going down in price". No specific models or prices were mentioned. You are right about CASers getting older. Look at all the senior, super senior, elder statesmen, veteran, cadaverous categories that never were when this game started.
 
robhof

The average age of the shooters at the last CAS shoot that I watched was 5 to 10 yrs older than me and I'm an old geezer. I sure hope they get some youngsters interested or it will go the way of the dinosaur.:confused::uhoh::mad:
 
Standard blackpowder guns on GB are still priced good. I pick them up all the time because someone a few hundred miles away from here, doesn't have record about them. I don't do much with the Ruger and Army guns, I stick with the single shots, and inline rifles, and Pietta guns. But yes i see the prices of Ruger are goin back down.
 
CAS is hurting for younger members all over.
Its an expensive game to get into and stay into.
Lots of younger folks can't afford it. Economy is killin' folks everywhere.
Also the generations raised on Western TV/Movie heroes are passing into retirement years now. Even many of them are giving it up.
Add in the recent ammo panic.
Sad but true.
CAS needs to wake up and allow 22LR use. Subsonic loads.
 
I looked at gunbroker yesterday myself. There were two Ruger old armys in stainless both over 550, and the auction wasn't finished yet.

There were a couple of blued models with bids around 450, but the auctions weren't over.

Chaz
 
What is being insinuated I feel is true and that is that we baby boomers are getting old and moving on. I've seen it at car shows and motorcycle meets. 50's,60's, and 70's cars are mostly owned by old farts likewise big bikes like HD's. If the younger generation will lay down their cell phones and Ipads they will enjoy a great buyers market in muzzleloaders, hot rods and Harleys.
 
You are right. In a lot of areas people dont even know what deer hunting is anymore.All they know now is deer shooting not deer hunting.In the old days we went in after the deer, now all they do is sit in a shooting house over a green field or bait.Not saying that is all wrong if thats what you like but people just dont know what they are missing out on .
 
I watch the price on ROAs pretty close. It goes up and down, but slowly getting higher generally.
 
Prices on black powder guns going down ????

I wish

Although the ROA prices go up and down I don't see much variation they still are in my opinion expensive.
 
I stopped in a pawn shop today. They had a T/C .50 cal. Hawken in decent shape for $199. I thought that was a good price but haven't priced them in years. If I didn't already have one in better condition, I would have bargained a little.
 
M1816 Type II Percussion Musket bought off PA Craigslist Yesterday

M1816 Type II Percussion Musket bought off PA Craigslist Yesterday

Forked over $400 for the thing. . .

Fact is, prices are down and falling on most non-essential goods and commodities. The economy is lousy and not getting better. Just wait until after Labor Day . . .

Thing is, the older generation collectors of oddball items like me, are dying off and not being replaced in similar numbers. As far as collectibles go . . . there is at best, a soft market for much of this crap. The music stopped on overwrought, overly restored old cars and other trashy pop culture junk. Antique and collectible store front shops that flourished during the Big 1980s and limped into the 21st century have mostly disappeared by now. The goods are on eBay these days and go unsold over and over again even with "Buy it Now" price reductions.

Just today . . . I purchased an extra fine condition M1816 Springfield percussion bolster conversion 69-caliber musket for $400 cash. At that, I probably paid too much. Found the 190-year old artifact on the Lancaster, Pennsylvania CraigsList. The seller was so anxious to move the item that he came to my house.

Asked the seller where he'd gotten the musket and was surprised by the answer. He said . . . "it's been in the family for as long as anyone can remember". The guy went on to explain that his people have lived for generations in the southern section of Pennsylvania near Gettysburg.

The M1816 musket, is a type II series with 1823 lock date. Walnut stock has nice grain and is crisp with vivid inspector marks along with a military rack stamping down near the butt plate tang. Lock plate still shows slight case color. The lock action was super stiff so I disassembled the musket for a rudimentary clean up. Over the decades, I've handled and owned dozens of 19th century U.S. military muskets and think that I have a feel for these things.

In my humble opinion, that M1816 musket had not been apart since the time of it's private contractor percussion conversion in the late 1850s. There were even loose wood shavings inside there from when the stock lock cavity had been inletted back in 1823. The interior lock components looked as new with vivid color case hardening. Everything in there was bone dry with not a trace of oil. The lock had probably been that way since the Civil War period. The barrel had a brownish patina on the upper surface with bright down the edges of the stock. Upon sliding off the barrel bands, the metal underneath was bright silver color and looked as new.

Took the walnut stock and carefully washed it with light dish-washing soap and water. Plenty of brownish color nicotine juice came off on the towel. Soon, the stock wood took on a more golden tone with good grain. After the stock dried in the sun for a couple of hours, I applied some tongue oil to the wood and it really brought out the quality. Wash cleaned the barrel surface and then lightly hand buffed the metal with a soft cotton cloth. It didn't take much to show a nice silvery sheen. The barrel bands also cleaned-up well with a satin finish. The arm was put back together and cleaned up really well, giving the appearance of a crisp naturally aged musket

Another impression of this piece. To me, this musket by it's unspoiled appearance looks to have been issued in like new condition, used hard for a brief period and then put someplace uncleaned for a long time. The area around the percussion cap nipple is pitted while other metal surfaces are smoothly excellent. And then, on the bottom of the iron trigger guard are two larger spots of deep corrosion on an otherwise unspoiled smooth surface. To my experience with such firearms including pistols used in triumphant suicides, that distinct pitted areas on this M1816 trigger guard was caused by blood left on and not cleaned.

So, is this a Civil War battlefield pick up from someplace like Gettysburg? Nobody will ever know. But regardless, the nifty 190-year old musket now hangs on my wall and I didn't have to hand over a couple of grand to some pompous dealer.

Wonder how many more bargain treasures are hidden in nooks n' crannies online?

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Captain, as I stated earlier and you repeat quite well we are not being followed by the next generation. We had an appreciation for land they would sooner have a condo. I love tending my acres they would prefer playing golf or working out at the Y. We like taking our time shooting one round at a time. They are more interested in 380 cal. compact autos.
I'm not complaining just stating.
Busyhands listen up you are rare and in a sweet spot.
Oh by the way, I just came in from the back range after practicing throwing the "hawk" with my 4 year old grandson. He was sticking 4 out of 5.
If you don't try to pass it on the knowledge will die with you.
HAPPY FATHER'S DAY or HAPPY PAPPY'S DAY
 
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I generally agree with what's been posted, but I think a lot of this picking up of "treasurers" depends on where you happen to be. Also the price of more common replicas (think revolvers) as been affected by wide availability and a soft economy in many places.

On the other hand, an auction - widely advertised on The High Road - sold seven million dollars, plus :what: of top-quality, antique and classic firearms in less then three days.
 
An odd thought occurred to me last night. When I got this 1823 dated musket, it had an overall brownish color to it which I thought was old patina. Then too, I was figuring that it might be the original 1820s era brown coating applied to U.S. military muskets in those days. As it turned out, with simple soapy water washing, the brown was in fact a layer of nicotine residue obviously caused by lengthy exposure to cigarette smoke.

The unknown persons who smoked those butts are no doubt long since deceased. And, except for a small circle of family and friends who themselves have faded away, they are anonymous and totally forgotten. The only trace of their passing on this earth turned out to be a sticky yellowish brown coating of telltale smoke left on a relic wall hanger. Within an hour's time what was likely the last vestige of some dead cigarette smoker's existence was washed away and ran down the drain. With today's morning daylight, the iron parts on that long surviving musket now show a metallic shine probably similar to when it was born at Springfield Armory 190 years ago.
 
As a non-smoker I could probably have smelled that gun from across the room.
Before I retired I occasionally would raise a stink when I smelled cigarettes from the waiting room. I'd tell my receptionist to "kick out the SOB who's smoking in the waiting room." Almost always, I was smelling their clothing from 40 feet away and there wasn't a lit cigarette.
 
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