Prices set for handgun "steal-back" (Australia)

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Prices set in handgun crackdown
June 30 2003
By_Phillip Hudson
Political Correspondent
Canberra

Gun owners will be paid up to $7350 for their firearms under the national handgun buyback scheme to begin tomorrow.

The Federal Government predicts 65,000 guns will be handed in under the $118 million scheme that starts on July 1 in all states except New South Wales and South Australia, where it will begin on October 1.

The buyback and an amnesty for handing in illegal guns is the central plank of a handgun crackdown brokered by Prime Minister John Howard and Victorian Premier Steve Bracks after a licensed gun owner killed two students and injured five others last October in a shooting spree at Monash University.

Legitimate sporting shooters will only be allowed to own handguns to a maximum calibre of .38, with a limit of 10 shots and a minimum barrel length of 120mm for semi-automatics and 100mm for single-shot guns and revolvers.

But negotiations are still continuing between Canberra and the states about allowing a special class of target shooters to own guns up to .45 calibre.
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A price list for more than 4500 handguns, obtained by The Age, reveals payments will be at a set amount based on whether their firearm is new, used in very good condition or used in fair condition.

Between $500 and $2000 will be paid for the most popular types of handguns, while specialist firearms will be bought back for as much as $7350.

The Victorian Government will be responsible for collecting the guns and paying compensation. An education campaign for sporting shooters, gun dealers and collectors will be launched this week.

It is expected that police stations will be used as collection points for the buyback. However, a spokeswoman for Police Minister Andre Haermeyer was last night unable to provide details.

An internet site, www.handgunbuyback.gov.au, will allow people to submit their firearm details to check if it is on the list and the price offered. Prices will vary for different gun models and specifications and gun owners will be able to appeal to an independent valuation panel if they do not agree with the price. Different prices may apply for gun dealers and wholesalers.

Under the buyback, owners of the popular Glock 22 .40 calibre semi-automatic will be given up to $731.45 for a gun in very good condition.

The Government will pay up to $945.62 for a stainless steel Smith & Wesson 357 magnum revolver model 66 and up to $1225.13 for the Walther PPK.

Weapons owned by the Monash gunman are on the list. They include the Beretta .32 semi-automatic Tomcat pocket pistol, will be bought back for between $455 and $844, the Beretta model 89 semi-automatic (up to $1170), the Beretta 92FS (up to $1983) and the CZ 75 9mm (up to $1750).

The highest-priced gun is the highly-modified Strayer Voight JPP infinity IMM semi-automatic racegun, which includes optical sights for competitive shooting. The Government will pay $7350.75 for one in very good condition.

At the other end of the scale, the Government will pay as little as $33 for a collectable 1851 Euroarms Colt Navy revolver.

The Government will also buy back guns that are not banned from people who will no longer qualify for a shooting licence under new graduated restrictions on access to guns and licensing rules. The government has said under the new system, the Monash gunman would have been denied access to handguns.


Federal Justice Minister Chris Ellison said Victoria's firearm registry had played a key role in creating the price list in conjunction with other governments, gun dealers and sporting shooters.

"This is a significant reform which achieves a balance between the interests of legitimate sporting shooters and public safety," Senator Ellison said.

He said a key part of the buyback was to ban "snub-nosed pocket pistols and easily concealable hand guns" from the community.

Gun control advocates have criticised the buyback as not being tough enough, arguing that it would not cut the number of guns in the community because gun owners would use taxpayers' funds to trade an illegal gun for a legal one.

Sporting Shooters Association spokesman Gary Fleetwood said the "prices for individual firearm owners are fair and transparent" based on his group's involvement in five price reviews.

But Mr Fleetwood said the gun buyback was not sensible policy and would have little impact on illegal guns. "It's not going to stop the illegal activity in firearms and the type of gang killings that happened in Melbourne," he said. "This buyback may be politically popular but it is not smart. The $100 million cost could be better spent on giving police more resources to take illegal guns out of the community and pursue those involved in illegal trafficking of firearms."

Senator Ellison rejected the criciticsm. "This doesn't mean we are taking our eyes off the main target of illegal guns. We have introduced national firearms trafficking legislation and the Australian Crime Commisison's first job is to tackle this issue," he said.

The buy-back scheme will be the biggest since the Government spent more than $315 million to buy back 643,238 guns after the Port Arthur massacre.

Remember, these handguns will be destroyed on the spot by two-tonne crusher -- no matter their historical, social or monetary value.
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The following link allows you to download a .pdf file of prices offered by make and model. Read 'em and weep. (I don't know how long this link will be active.)

http://www.theage.com.au/pdf/handguns.pdf

Bruce
 
Outrageous and Infuriating! :cuss:

People are just going to "sell" their guns back?
 
My friend..................

What would you suggest the people do? Revolt?
They will not in that country and they will not in THIS country.

Gun owners, in general, are introverts. They may bitch and complain on the internet or at the bar or.....pick your place. The majority do nothing for the 2nd Amendment or any other rights.

WAIT A MINUTE!

They might join the NRA and figure that is THEIR contribution to "the cause". Gun owners would rather be at a ball game, sit at home, or go shooting and hope the whole thing goes away.

This comment does not go out to those people on this board who do something besides bitch and complain. For those of you who do complain and have not done anything besides join an organization.....GET OF OF YOUR A**** AND GET INVOLVED NOW! You will be the reason that this type of gun confiscation will be coming to town. In fact it is already here in the form of voluntary "buy backs".

How many gun owners in this country? 80 million (supposedly)

How many NRA members? 4 million?

That my friend is a crying shame.

Keep reading about how they are doing it over there fellow gun owners because it will be here soon. Maybe you can get enough money from the government "buying back" your guns to buy yourself a good bow, fishing pole, or remodel the kitchen or something.........
 
To clarify a little for the readers.

US$1.00 ~ AUS$1.50 at this time.
 
Remember, these handguns will be destroyed on the spot by two-tonne crusher -- no matter their historical, social or monetary value.

Are you sure? If the condition of the firearm effects the price, I almost wonder if the government doesn't plan on selling them outside the country :scrutiny:
 
Are you sure? If the condition of the firearm effects the price, I almost wonder if the government doesn't plan on selling them outside the country

Mmmm, positive. The intention (in most of the States anyway) is to make people watch their own guns being crushed. :uhoh:

The only change will be if you contest their valuation for your particular firearm. It will then be seized from you anyway ('cause it's still illegal) but be put before a separate valuation board.

Truly historical pieces may be saved if the owner wants to go to the hassle of obtaining a collector's licence -- but he has to prove his bona fides as a collector before he can do this. (For example, he may have published a book on collecting or written published articles on specific handguns.) Even after that, if the handgun is a percussion model, it has to be "rendered inoperable" :what: , which screws its value anyway.

Bruce
 
Wait a minute here, I'm a little bit confused.

I thought that being "easily concealed" or a "pocket pistol" were DESIRABLE, if not essential qualities of handguns.:barf:
 
Two tons is enough to crush steel? Is that what they used last time when they destroyed your long guns?

Those must be Canadian dollars if they are being that generous for a S&W revolver. I bet a lot of people on this board would stand in line for that kind of money. NOT... Since it is your own tax money paying for those guns.

What kind of logic is that? "Here I'll let you hold this money for me while I watch you destroy my property if you promise to return it". Circular logic is no gain.

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Two tons is enough to crush steel? Is that what they used last time when they destroyed your long guns?

Yes -- across the action it is well and truly enough to "bend" it or "crimp" it totally beyond use. Then it can be later sawn or melted; or sawn and melted.

Just talking about all this after 1996 is making me feel nauseated all over again. :fire:

BTW, they're Aussie dollars, not Canadian. One US dollar = approx. $1.50 Aussie dollars.

Bruce
 
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