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I have a persistent problem that I need to work out before it starts trashing parts.
My problem is, that the small pistol primer disk on my 650 is “Jamming” while processing 9mm.
I have already “bent” one Primer Indexing Arm, and am surely going to bend the new one that I took from my spare parts kit, unless I find and cure the “jamming” problem.
On the question of “Which Side UP”:
I am confounded that Dillon continues to insist that there is NO right or wrong sides to the primer disks in the face of so much apparent evidence as seems to becoming collected from users, to the contrary. I do not know which view is more correct. I would think that after all these years, the experts at Dillon would KNOW their equipment.
Perhaps it is that with “some” primer disks, It makes no difference; while some others ( which may have been manufactured a bit differently), it Does!
Perhaps the answer here is to request a “New” primer disk from Dillon which they have examined and pronounced to be “the same” either Side up, and which performs reliably with “either side up”.
In any event, the problem manifesting itself in the “which side up” is NOT the one I am facing. That situation leads to problems where “UNUSED” primers do not drop free and jam the primer disk when to unused primer does not drop free and jams attempting to enter the “accept new dropped primer position in the primer disk rotation sequence.
My problem seems to be that primers ( either at the time of being dropped or sometimes between then and when they appear on the primer punch) jam the disk, and if I am in a rhythm and push the handle too hard I start bending the primer index arm.
It is a HARD Jam… Almost an absolute STOP.
( I am finding primers that appear to have been subjected to a “shearing force” that attempts to slice the primer in half laterally)
I have been through the:
1) remove shell plate
2) remove primer mechanism
3) Remove primers from tube and plate base
4) disassemble primer mechanism
5) clean up and deal with the stacked up cases in the case feeder system
6) reassemble
Then process a dozen or more cases before having to go through 1-6 again.
I have examined all my parts.
When manually indexing the primer disk, that is: reaching in and cycling it with my finger ( with the primer punch lowered of course)….it seems to have a lot of resistance to rotating ( more than I remember from past instances). But it feels smooth ( stiff but smooth)
I can find nothing that appears to look seriously wrong…yet..
( If I keep butting up against the jamming problem, I expect that I
WILL ……bend another indexing arm.
There DOES seem to be a little “gouging” in the brass end of the primer magazine (22032) where it mates against the shell plate as it spins under it.
ALSO on the Primer Feedbody housing (21279) where the two parts mate up.
I don’t know is this is significant or not, but My small primer disk IS scratched up a bit, It does not seem to be enough that is should be causing a problem.
I HAVE lubricated the sliding against eachothers surfaces ( with GREASE not OIL).
After a frustrating day:
( I managed to complete only a scant 120….. 9mm …..in SIX (6) hours of struggling with this problem), …………….I have been forced to “Sideline” my 650 (until I can get this problem resolved)
I am for the time being, going back to my RCBS PiggyBack II).
( I am seriously running out of Ammo ).
The problem is “somewhere” in the Small Primer Assembly (21605)
Would it be out of line to ask that Dillon send me a new (certified properly functioning one ) complete?
I would return my malfunctioning one and perhaps Dillon could figure out what is wrong, and tell me how to fix it.
??????????
I have a persistent problem that I need to work out before it starts trashing parts.
My problem is, that the small pistol primer disk on my 650 is “Jamming” while processing 9mm.
I have already “bent” one Primer Indexing Arm, and am surely going to bend the new one that I took from my spare parts kit, unless I find and cure the “jamming” problem.
On the question of “Which Side UP”:
I am confounded that Dillon continues to insist that there is NO right or wrong sides to the primer disks in the face of so much apparent evidence as seems to becoming collected from users, to the contrary. I do not know which view is more correct. I would think that after all these years, the experts at Dillon would KNOW their equipment.
Perhaps it is that with “some” primer disks, It makes no difference; while some others ( which may have been manufactured a bit differently), it Does!
Perhaps the answer here is to request a “New” primer disk from Dillon which they have examined and pronounced to be “the same” either Side up, and which performs reliably with “either side up”.
In any event, the problem manifesting itself in the “which side up” is NOT the one I am facing. That situation leads to problems where “UNUSED” primers do not drop free and jam the primer disk when to unused primer does not drop free and jams attempting to enter the “accept new dropped primer position in the primer disk rotation sequence.
My problem seems to be that primers ( either at the time of being dropped or sometimes between then and when they appear on the primer punch) jam the disk, and if I am in a rhythm and push the handle too hard I start bending the primer index arm.
It is a HARD Jam… Almost an absolute STOP.
( I am finding primers that appear to have been subjected to a “shearing force” that attempts to slice the primer in half laterally)
I have been through the:
1) remove shell plate
2) remove primer mechanism
3) Remove primers from tube and plate base
4) disassemble primer mechanism
5) clean up and deal with the stacked up cases in the case feeder system
6) reassemble
Then process a dozen or more cases before having to go through 1-6 again.
I have examined all my parts.
When manually indexing the primer disk, that is: reaching in and cycling it with my finger ( with the primer punch lowered of course)….it seems to have a lot of resistance to rotating ( more than I remember from past instances). But it feels smooth ( stiff but smooth)
I can find nothing that appears to look seriously wrong…yet..
( If I keep butting up against the jamming problem, I expect that I
WILL ……bend another indexing arm.
There DOES seem to be a little “gouging” in the brass end of the primer magazine (22032) where it mates against the shell plate as it spins under it.
ALSO on the Primer Feedbody housing (21279) where the two parts mate up.
I don’t know is this is significant or not, but My small primer disk IS scratched up a bit, It does not seem to be enough that is should be causing a problem.
I HAVE lubricated the sliding against eachothers surfaces ( with GREASE not OIL).
After a frustrating day:
( I managed to complete only a scant 120….. 9mm …..in SIX (6) hours of struggling with this problem), …………….I have been forced to “Sideline” my 650 (until I can get this problem resolved)
I am for the time being, going back to my RCBS PiggyBack II).
( I am seriously running out of Ammo ).
The problem is “somewhere” in the Small Primer Assembly (21605)
Would it be out of line to ask that Dillon send me a new (certified properly functioning one ) complete?
I would return my malfunctioning one and perhaps Dillon could figure out what is wrong, and tell me how to fix it.
??????????
on the primer feed parts on any press. It will attact and hold dirt will cause malfunctions, and could contaminate your primers and cause squibs.