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Proposals to tax guns and ammunition

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  1. Midwest

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    Proposals to tax guns and ammunition

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/07/gun-taxes-owners-second-amendment/2049363/

    Interesting article on how certain areas of the country are considering taxes on Firearms and ammo. Some of us might have heard Cook County IL and California proposing to tax guns or ammo.

    It seems like there are other areas considering the proposals as well. We should do what we can to not only oppose these proposals but we should alert others to what is being proposed in these other states. There is even an proposal for a Federal tax in addition to already 11% excise tax.

    "Legislation introduced in Congress would add a 10% tax to handgun purchases to pay for gun buybacks and other programs. Bills creating new taxes are pending in state legislatures in New Jersey and Washington state."

    I paraphrased and reworded some of the proposals. Perhaps others could chime in with information on what is proposed in their states and maybe we can shed a little more light on all of this.


    Federal 10% tax on handguns
    California 5 cent tax on every bullet
    Cook County IL $25 tax and ammo
    Massachusetts 25% tax on ammo and firearms
    Maryland 50% tax on ammunition and $25 for handgun license
    Nevada $25 on gun sales and 2 cents tax on each bullet
    NJ and Washington state considering taxes
     
  2. Agsalaska

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    OK. So I have a couple of questions/comments.

    Are we also charging a tax on new car sales to cover all of the car wreck injuries treated every day at local hospitals?

    The Mass rep says that 'We tax cigarettes, we tax alcohol, we tax other things that have a negative effect on society.' -Negative says who? you? You also tax gas consumption, tourists in hotels, going to the movies, my own property, parking at the airport, a % of every purchase i make. Your going to come after our money in a million different ways. Your doing it because it is a convenient opportunity. Period.
     
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    bullet tax

    Life really does mimic art sometimes. For instance, more than a decade ago, comic Chris Rock suggested in a stand-up routine that if bullets were made too expensive, there would be much fewer shootings. Cook County, Illinois, seems to agree, which is why that region, which Chicago occupies, is proposing a bullet tax that would help defray the costs of crime.
     
  4. Olevern

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    I suggest a tax on exercising your first amendment rights as well, then. Talking heads; pay up!
     
  5. Texan Scott

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    A tax on gun purchases to pay for buybacks... so if I buy a $500 gun, and pay a 10% tax... when I turn it back in for a $50 gift card, they're buying my gun "back" from me ... with my own money?!?

    ... and the horse they rode in on!

    Another fine day to be a Texan.
     
  6. Gallstones

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    That would be like a poll tax on a Right. Unacceptable.
     
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    Bingo. It is so galling it defines words.
     
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    *** nevada ?
     
  9. Midwest

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    " A committee heard testimony last week on a Nevada bill that would create a $25 tax for gun sales and a 2-cent tax on each round of ammunition. Funds would benefit victims' services and mental health programs."
     
  10. Ash

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    The poll tax is a superb example in this instance as it was a tax designed to deny or punish rights. A firearms tax is in that same league, but then so are cigarette taxes. The difference in the former is it is an established individual right of citizens to keep and bear arms whereas the latter is not spelled out directly in the constitution at all. Poll taxes are unconstitutional, and bullet taxes over and above sales taxes would be, too I would think.
     
  11. Pointshoot

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    "The power to tax is the power to destroy".
     
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    Using the tax code to influence behavior has been around for a very long time. It's practiced broadly, from high taxes on alcoholic beverages and tobacco products (so-called sin taxes) to tax credits for buying energy-efficient appliances or hybrid cars. Even the mortgage deduction is a targeted mechanism designed to encourage Americans to bury themselves in a mortgage, thereby bolstering the bottom lines of lenders.

    Levying high taxes on firearms and related items is just another way for government to influence behavior through taxation. And don't be fooled into believing the funds raised through these taxes would benefit victims' or mental health services. Remember, government said Social Security would go into a lockbox where it would earn interest and be given back to us when we retire. It was a hoodwink then; it's a hoodwink now.
     
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    lizawinston: 1st day on the forum, 1st post on the forum, obviously from the anti-gun - anti 2nd Amendment side. This should be interesting.

    Ever consider that guns are not the problem. Gun bans like prohibition will never work, criminals don't follow the law. If you don't want a gun, that's your right, the Constitution guarantees my right to own one. I know the liberals hate this document, but, that little paper is what makes us uniquely American. There are plenty of places that have already banned guns if that makes you feel safer. The UK is even wanting to ban "pointy kitchen knives" now. Why not just move to South Chicago, the gun laws are working so well there . Taxes on firearms and bullets infringe most on the poor. Why not be upfront and just say in the liberal progressive world, only the rich and privileged should have rights. Do you really think Bloomberg, Obama, or any of the big celebrities on the anti-gun rant are not protected by guns.

    As far as easing the fear - your fear is not my problem. Nor, is it a reason or justification for me to give up my rights.
     
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    Great idea Lizzie government officials should confiscate all legally owned firearms so only criminals, law enforcement and military personnel have them. When someone breaks into your home in middle of the night just dial 911 and pray REAL HARD.
     
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    First off there ia allready a tax Called Pittman-Robertson Act......this bill
    was enacted in 1937 with a 10% tax On firearms .In the 1970's a admendment was added to put another 10% tax on handguns, ammo and firearms accessories.11% on archery equipment also.
    Half of these monies was mandated to go to firearms safety classes.

    where is this money going now????
     
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    Probably to The Brady Bunch, anti-gun politicians and Gun Buybacks.
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    Seriously there should be financial accounting for these taxes somewhere on line. It must be on some govt. website somewhere.
     
  17. Art Eatman

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    Those excise taxes were called for by hunters. They are returned to the states for wildlife management, pro-rated by the number of hunting licenses. In 1937, the majority of all centerfire rifles were used for hunting. Rimfires? Probably a mix of hunting and plinking.

    A tax on ammo wouldn't affect the amount of criminal shootings. The gain from robbing a mom'n'pop would buy plenty of ammo from some other street-worm.
     
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    Ms. Winston,

    Welcome to THR. Unfortunately, your first post indicates either irrationality or a poorly-conceived understanding of the problem, which is not "people firing weapons" but unnecessary violence towards our fellow man.

    Y'all, I went back and carefully read this poster's first post again, wondered at the bad phraseology, then clicked the link...spam. Sometimes we give people too much credit.
    John
     
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    The trolls are up early today
     
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    Does anyone really believe that Cook County believes this will reduce crime?

    Raise money for the nanny bureaucracy, yes.

    Oppress gun owners, yes.

    Repress gun ownership, yes.

    But reduce crime? As Chris Rock might say, "Let's keep it real!"
     
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    More, creative ideas to restrict the use of guns by law abiding citizens.
     
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    Of course. The power to tax is the power to destroy, and that is after all, the plan.
     
  23. Jim Watson

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    Yup.
    $200 isn't much now, if you really want a machine gun, but when passed in 1934 it was an 80% tax on a $250 Thompson. Admittedly intended to discourage purchase because they realized a complete ban was unconstitutional. Just think if it had been indexed to inflation.
     
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    Nevada? Welcome to cowboy socialism. Look what they have in the Senate. Vegas is a big voting machine for Libs, and the little counties don`t count for much.
     
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    I was with my students yesterday in the last couple of minutes and one brought up that guns should be banned. I posed the question to them this way: can an axe take credit for felling a tree? Of course not, the man wielding the axe felled the tree. I then pointed out the genocide in Rwanda was completed mostly with machetes, where so many bodies were dumped into the river that Lake Victoria had them floating about. I could go no farther other than pose the question and make the observations, of course.

    A tax designed to deny a right is unconstitutional. Cigarettes are not a right. Guns and ammo are.
     
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