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Proposed German gun law

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It's sad to say, but more restrictive laws in Europe might do some good. They might just force Europeans to tell their corrupt governments where they can stick it.
 
Germans have become such sissies. It almost makes me less than proud of my ancestry. Have they forgotten that they're Germans? Remember Ze Germans? conquering, killing, fearsome enemy Germans? Spike on the helmet, citizens setting up a crew served weapon in the street to stop a domestic Red Army Germans? Scary aristocratic military family for hundreds of years Germans? Fritz bayonetting babies kinda propaganda, prisoner shooting, Panzer driving, Mauser toting Germans? Somebody give 'em the smelling salts. I may not support their actions... but I miss their spirit. they really used to be the meat eaters over there. Hans Von Seeckt and Erwin Rommel are probably rolling in their graves.

Nezt thing you know their beer will start tasting like Canadian beer.

Dammit Fritz! Get up and fight! Next thing you know the French will be invading and the Germans being the cheese eating surrender monkeys. America may have a tenuous grip on their balls, but germany (lower case) has misplaced theirs.
 
dirty trick! i logged on to embrace firearms and this link sidetracked me for 30 minutes of reading antigun media links!

now im in a bad mood :barf:

off to the revolver page i go :D
 
Hmm...they want "high caliber" guns banned, along with video games depicting violence.

Next will be books and movies depicting violence. Then any media questioning the state or raising controversial issues. All in the name of "safety".

It could happen here people, and there's lots of people who'd be happy to see it. Ban guns, ban free speech, what's next?
 
Didnt another oppressive German government ban guns? If I remember my history, it didnt exactly lead to a model governemnt or "peace in our time".

:fire:

but hell, lets keep trying, maybe we can bury a few million more this time.
 
Heviarti,

I lived in Germany for 10 1/2 years and have been married to a wonderful German lady for 45 years and she and I both agree: German menare becoming sissified! We get three channels of German telelvision and what you see is men wearing the most fashionable clothes while sipping their designer wine and admiring each other's Gucci slippers.

Tequila jake
 
I spent a long time in Germany. The cultural consesus is that the Germans as a people, very unlike the French or Italians, are totally enamored to the state. The state and its government is the ultimate wishing well and is expected to bring utopia into existence by legislative means and executive fiat.

The gun question is no different. Despite their history, most Germans seem to embrace the idea of a factual monopoly of force. Hence the posession of firearms is a temporary privilege granted by the state and will be pulled upon the slightest whim.
 
+1 to that.
This is what made them so dangerous in the first place. Not questioning their government. If I staked a sign Kein laufen durch die grunen aka do not walk across the grass. the Germans will not do it. Americans on the other hand will. Not that it is a good thing but we question authority. The German people as a whole were much easier to be led by that mad man Hitler.
I was stationed there three times and absolutely love the people.
I love their culture and their art but hate their laws.
 
Guten Tag.

Politicians are indeed on an overreaction spree at the moment.

It all began with the father of the latest amok-teenager
not having a friggin triggerlock or the like on his friggin
Beretta 92F!

Now the mainstream & the conservatives(!) have been rallying
nonsense in order to gain votes of the sheeple in next election.....

They even proposed a paintball-game ban!!!

Our gun law is already screwd up thew ay it was,
making shooting a sport for nerds and well to do hunters.

Being a german, who spent a year in the KY heartland
i always keep my longrifle close.... in case democracy needs to be defended!

Cheers,
Sissy.
 
Starting in 1919 and extending to 1938 Germany enacted increasingly restrictive gun laws and regulations. This started with the Treaty of Versailles in an attempt to disarm Germany and was quickly capitalized on by the Nazi party. And we all know how things went after that. :uhoh::eek::banghead::banghead:

While gun regulation was not the only factor leading to WWII, it did serve to stifle any opposition to the Nazi party in the years leading up to WWII.
 
@U.S.SFC_RET

Your view applies to the conservative-farmers areas like Bavaria
and the area around Frankfurt etc..... otherwise
i´d consider it outdated by let´s say 40 years.

Here only the most authority-believing would stop
at a pedestrian-trafficlight, when no cars are around.

(it´s very nice to have americans here every now and then
to disprove some of the strongest prejudices europeans have
on americans)

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@Mr. Bojangles

Hmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles#Military_restrictions

Versailles was about limiting the military size and power.
And lotsa money as reparations.....

The RKBA was no part of that.

The german opposition.... labor-union/socialist
were decently armed.... and many weapons were around.
I´ve held small arms that have been secretly manufactured in Ruhr-Area
workshops (Krupp, Hoesch, Thyssen) by simply copying
common belgian revolvers.....

Just don´t mix the RKBA cause with history.
Unless you know your facts. Thanks

( german & studied historian)
Cheers, Mp7.
 
Is it any surprise that Europe has suffered 1000 years of tyranny? Literally one tyrant/dictator/totalitarian/monarch after another for centuries.

I say if Europe does something, do the exact opposite and you should be fine.

However, I may be biased as I was born there. God bless America.


...
 
I will say there is a definite national sense of order in Germany and always has been. My Great-grandfather was from near Pommern. Keep in mind I feel that you can often generalize a group, but can never generalize an individual. I had a similar thought some years back about Germany having been a lesser version of itself when they raised clamor over the US taking military action somewhere. It was disappointing.

As to the Versailles treaty, many Germans saw it as criminal, with the signers being slightly traitorous. This is one of the reasons Hitler took the surrender of one of the signatory victors of Versailles in the same traincar it was signed. Sort of a retributory middle finger.

again I cite citizens setting up a crew served weapon someone just sorta had in an intersection to stop a Red Army.
 
heviarty,

Germans have become such sissies. It almost makes me less than proud of my ancestry. Have they forgotten that they're Germans? Remember Ze Germans? conquering, killing, fearsome enemy Germans? Spike on the helmet, citizens setting up a crew served weapon in the street to stop a domestic Red Army Germans? Scary aristocratic military family for hundreds of years Germans? Fritz bayonetting babies kinda propaganda, prisoner shooting, Panzer driving, Mauser toting Germans? Somebody give 'em the smelling salts. I may not support their actions... but I miss their spirit. they really used to be the meat eaters over there. Hans Von Seeckt and Erwin Rommel are probably rolling in their graves.
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Thanks for a good laugh! My grandparents emigrated from Germany before WWII, but my Great Uncle Albert (We're so sorry...Uncle Albert) served in the German Army and moved to the U.S. afterwards.

My entire life, I have related to my German heritage and have travelled to Germany several times just because of the German culture. I love the food, the cities and towns, the architecture, the history, and the people (MY people).

Thanks to my German family, I grew up with guns. Shooting, hunting, and self defence. From my German family. I wonder, if my family had not moved to the U.S., what about the culture of firearms I have inherited from it? Would the decendants of my grandparents be choosing what to ban? Would this family still have pistols and rifles? Or would we be calling for the end of gun related video games?

heviarty asks a good question that I keep asking myself. What happened to the baby bayonetting, Panzer driving, Mauser toting, spiked helmet wearing Germans? That's the Germany I came from. While not the image of unity and kindness to all, it still held something to be proud of: good ol' German "I'm going to do this, and you can't stop me" stubborness.

Now? I dunno. Bunch of girlie-men! All of you!
 
Remember, most of the Europeans that really wanted freedom emigrated to the U.S. many years ago leaving nations of subjects, not citizens. Sad.

I said most. There are still a few freedom loving, pro-gun Europeans, but they are in the vast minority.
 
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Ultimately, the Germans who came to the United States and became a large part of the modern American nation are a very different version even than what would exist circa 1914. For years before the unification of Germany, German speaking peoples had no nation, and they were a collection of states, intermitently at war with one another. Those people, the tough, stubborn farmers (who often knew and loved guns) were the ones who gave the US much of it's shooting legacy. And much of of our stubborn, don't tread on me ethos.

The Germans of today are still dealing with the burdens of the Nazis. They also deal with the crushing blow of government dependeny (bad as any addiction). And the fact that national pride was perverted in the past into a desire to crush others.

But, worst of all... Germany deals with the same plague all of Europe deals with, that which is trying to be imported to America.

Transnationalism, and authoritarian socialism.
 
they are looking to ban paintball as it's an easy target with no lobby group 'with real political power'. It is beyond belief as I'm unaware of any study that links shootings sprees to paintballers - like everything in politics they have to be 'seen to be acting' however ridiculous their proposed legislation will be before elections.

One of the heads of German police has already stated it would not be enforced as they had better things to do with their time than chase people around woods/fields. I'll find the link.

large calibre pistols/rifles - yeah, good luck with trying to ban that in Germany, they don't have a chance in hell given the power of shooting/hunting lobbyists in Germany. German interior minister tried in 2007 to tighten legislation, he didn't get very far.

It's easy to bash Europeans, we don't have a 2A written into any bill of rights (i.e. we have no 'legal right') AND I would point out that the U.S.A. is a 'young' country - where will your 2a rights be in 50 years let alone 500 years ?

All that being said, as a European, we are losing firearms rights each and every year :banghead:
 
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,623518,00.html


Konrad Freiberg, chairman of the Germany police union GdP, said he doesn't think much of banning simulated fighting games. "People may consider this type of extracurricular activity childish or dumb, but I would dare to doubt that it has any criminological connection to serious crimes," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

For his part, Rainer Wendt, the head of the German Police Union (DPolG), says it would be difficult to implement the plans. "Politicians are the only people who think they can alter reality by filling up so much paper," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE. He said a ban would make no sense if it could not be enforced. "It has to be made clear to everyone that police in Germany have no time to go out chasing paintball players in forests and fields."

it's just another BS piece of legislation.

and from the same article this is a politician's point of view(do they need an IQ test to serve? :barf: )

The interior minister of the eastern German state of Saxony-Anhalt, Holger Hölvelmann, welcomed the government's plans. He argued that the game was tantamount to "teaching people to kill" or "playing war." "Our society," he said, "should outlaw such cynical games that glorify violence."

but then I'm not surprised - left/socialist governments are always anti-gun and of the opinion 'the state will take care of you' :rolleyes: --- easy to say when you are escorted by armed bodyguards everywhere.

it makes me :barf:
 
Wonderful, let's sit back, watch Europe completely disarm, and they will be ours for the dominating. :D We can walk in and make them our beeches.
 
by that politician's rationale the German government should immediately stop mandatory military service - if 9 months service in the German army doesn't 'teach people to kill' I don't know what does....

stupid me, I forgot the plague that is paintballing :neener:

edit: it's actually 9 months, my friend did two years
 
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