Proud owner of a new (to me) 870 Wingmaster!

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spiroxlii

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I walked into a local pawn shop today intent on finding a S&W Airweight revolver or a P3AT so I could have a smaller carry pistol for when I go out for a run.

I did not find the pistol I was looking for, but I have a serious sickness. I can not walk into a gun shop with enough money to buy a gun and leave empty handed. An HD shotgun was also on my list of weapons to acquire, so I forgot all about buying a smaller carry pistol when I spotted a few nice pumps on the wall.

First I handled two different Maverick 88s. They were ok, but felt a little rough when I cycled them (to be fair, though, they were brand new and might have smoothed out with some use). Then I picked up an NEF Pardner Pump. It was cheaper than the Mavericks, but it actually felt better in my hands. It had some nice weight to it, and I liked the way it fit against my shoulder and cheek. I probably would've bought the NEF right then and there if I hadn't happened to look over at the wall rack one more time.

That's when I saw my 870. Most of the other pump shotguns up on the wall had black synthetic stocks and were in various stages of tacticoolness. This 870 Wingmaster had a lightly worn wood stock that looked warm and inviting. When I held it and cycled it, it felt smooth and natural in my hands. I forgot all about the Mavericks and the NEF when I found out that the Wingmaster could be mine for $200 out the door (tax and everything included).

Some info about my new Wingmaster:
1. It takes 2 3/4'' shells only, but I don't really care about using 3'' shells.

2. It has an extended magazine tube. The guy who sold it to me mentioned that he thought it held 8 rounds. I was able to load 7 shells into the magazine, so perhaps he meant 7 in the tube plus 1 chambered.

3. I don't know the exact barrel length, but the barrel and the extended mag tube are nearly flush with each other.

4. The barrel that's on the gun now has a bead front sight, no vent rib, and is marked "cyl," which I assume means cylinder bore.

Now on to the questions...

1. For HD distances, I think this barrel should be fine with 00 buck. I know nothing about choke tubes. My only other shotgun is a single shot H&R .410 with a full choke barrel. If I wanted to change from cylinder bore to mod or full choke for hunting or recreational shooting with my Wingmaster, can I add some kind of tube to my current barrel, or do I need to switch out barrels?

2. The guy at the pawn shop showed me a box of 12ga 00 buck shells that were only 2 inches long. They were called Centurion Mini-Buck shells, and they held 6 pellets of 00 buckshot. I'd heard of the Centurion Multi-Defense shells loaded with a combination of one .650" round ball and six #1 buckshot pellets, but this was the first time I'd seen the Mini-Buck 2'' shells. Their main attractions seem to be reduced recoil and increased mag capacity. The writing on the box claimed that they would cycle properly in most pump and auto shotguns. Does anybody here know if that's true? Have you tried them?
 
Congrats, a decent WM for $200 is a great deal.

If the barrel says Cyl, I doubt it's fitted for choke tubes. You'll need to switch out barrels.

If you're up to using the gun well, it will do for HD. Go shoot it plenty.

No info on the shells. I have tested some homemade 6 pellet 00 loads and think they'll work, but they were in 2 3/4" cases. I'm doubtful cases shorter than 2.5" will cycle reliably in the 870. The Aguila mini shells will not.

HTH....
 
Congratulations on bringing home a Cinderella 870! I'm always happy to see another one find a good home, since I can't afford to rescue them all. :D

Sounds as if you have a 20" Riot barrel, and if the gun has plain walnut furniture with a short LE type forearm (ribbed not checkered) and no checkering on the stock, then you may well have an original Riot gun. Does it have a recoil pad, or just a buttplate? I have a couple of 1960s era Riot guns which arrived in that configuration. If that's what you have, it's a real classic. BTW, you can call Remington at 1-800 243-9700, give them your serial number and they can tell you the year your gun left the line. It might be older than you are...

The 2 3/4" chamber is no problem at all, you can accomplish everything you need to do with 2.75" shells. I'd stay away from the mini-shells though, as they have a tendency not to feed reliably in any pumpgun I've ever tried them in.

00 should do fine in it, try Hornady TAP or one of the Federal loads that also features the FliteControl wad if you want tighter patterns, most any other load should give you more open patterns if you want those. If you want wide open patterns, try S&B or Rio Royal for that. Choke tubes can be done in the older thinner-walled Remington barrels, but I'd not bother with it. You can select your patterns these days just by changing loads, in many cases. Patterning will vary from barrel to barrel, and it's difficult to make sweeping statements about the subject with any real accuracy- generalities is about the best you can do. Pattern paper is your friend- the only way to know what your gun will do at any given distance with any given load is to pattern it. Wring out the barrel you have as it is, before you worry about modifying or changing it for HD use. Chances are it will do just fine. It's easy to swap barrels on 870s if you need a longer barrel for wingshooting or clay games.

Don't worry about mag capacity, no magazine is ever big enough. Learn to feed the puppy on the fly, and it'll keep barking as long as you have shells for it.

Learn to field strip it, give it a good cleaning and a proper lube job, then shoot it till it feels like you were born with it.

And Stay Safe,

lpl/nc
 
Lee Lapin said:
Sounds as if you have a 20" Riot barrel, and if the gun has plain walnut furniture with a short LE type forearm (ribbed not checkered) and no checkering on the stock, then you may well have an original Riot gun. Does it have a recoil pad, or just a buttplate? I have a couple of 1960s era Riot guns which arrived in that configuration. If that's what you have, it's a real classic. BTW, you can call Remington at 1-800 243-9700, give them your serial number and they can tell you the year your gun left the line. It might be older than you are...

It does have plain wood furniture, and the forearm is ribbed, not checkered. The stock is not checkered either. It has a brownish recoil pad, not a solid buttplate.
 
Here she is! This is her as I bought her. I have not cleaned, refinished, or shot this shotgun yet. Mechanically, it feels good though.

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Nice,Spiro. A good looking gun. A couple things...

The barrel is not original to the gun. Note how the finish differs from the receiver and mag tube.

No problem, it was probably done when the mag extension was added. Speaking of which, a clamp is a very good idea. Sling studs also so it can be carried as needed.

And, mag capacity should be seven 2 3/4" shells.

Chrome bolt indicates it's not Flextabbed. Just make sure you insert shells all the way until you feel the click as they move past both the shell latches.

For rescuing this old warhorse, I'm inducting you into PETP, People for the Ethcial Treatment of Pumpguns as a full member with all the rights and privileges thereof.....
 
Dave, the capacity is indeed seven shells. When you say "clamp," what do you mean? Is it that piece that couples the end of the mag tube to the barrel? If so, where can I buy one that is sure to fit an aftermarket barrel and mag tube extension?
 
cool gun

I too got one of the riot guns like yours from a pawn in Seattle. They had several that a local police department had decided were no longer suitable.
I love it. I kept the original barrel and magazine extension (now in safe) and fitted gun with rifled slug barrel. I like the plain wood.
Good buy!
 
The clamp bonds the barrel and extension together mechanically. There's a couple bennies.

First, any bangs and dings will not bend up the threads on the end of the mag tube.

Second, fastening the barrel and tube together in effect stiffens the barrel and cuts slug group size, oft amazingly.

Dunno about modern brands. My extensions were added in the 80s. One's a Remington, one's a Choate. Both came with clamps.
 
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