Psychologically, what gun would you use in public and why?

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By that, I mean if you were to be in a sub-SHTF scenario (such as the small town I lived in last year, where an armed and cop-killing prisoner escaped custody), what weapons would you carry, and which would you avoid, in public, and why?

My thinking is that under no circumstances would I walk around with a wooden-stocked AK-47, and probably not a Glock, either. To many uninformed people, those are "evil" guns used by terrorists and gangbangers. Heck, if I saw two guys with no uniforms shooting at each other, and one had an AR-15 and the other an AK-47, I myself would be inclined to think the AK-47 wielder is the bad guy. Similarly, I'd also avoid anything that looks like an Uzi or Skorpion.

It seems to me that people don't panic (as much) when they see something they recognize as being used by the police or our military. An AR-15 is scary, but not looking like a psycho should go a long way. Similarly, anything that looks like a "typical hunting rifle" would work. From TV, black revolvers are probably "good guy" weapons, so long as they're short-barreled and don't have flashy grips. "Western" stuff is probably just odd, and somewhat non-threatening.

I haven't done any research on this except to think back to the way I thought before I started learning about guns. Even now, I still don't like Glocks because I'm so used to seeing them being used by terrorists in movies and video games.

What do you think? If you had to carry in a situation where your life wasn't in imminent danger but there was danger around you and you'd be seen carrying whatever you had, what would you use?
 
Whatever I felt was most appropriate for the circumstances. I'm not going to base my decision of what weapon to trust my life to based on how other people are going feel about it.
 
All of my ... shall we say ... less discrete ... armaments are civilianized copies of US military weapons, as is suitable for service in the general militia, in the astronomically unlikely event that a muster is ever called. :neener:

What people will make of that psychologically is entirely and completely dependent on where they're coming from.

The reality is that I would not be seen indiscretely armed outside of my neighborhood, where I am well known, and widely understood to be a good guy.

My neighbors may wonder why mr. geek has his scary/unremarkable rifle today, and perhaps they ought to have their too, but they won't wonder who the guy w/ the rifle is.
 
I think that if you run around in public, visibly armed, and shooting people, who do not obviously need shooting, you can count on adverse public reaction no matter WHAT you are using.



--Travis--
 
Ah Wuz To Go In Publik

Iffen Ah wuz to go totin' in publik, Ah would probbly carry a "Bessie" type gun -- you know, like John Wayne done carried.

'Course, Ah'd wear chaps an' a olde West vest, an' a cow puncher's hat, an' Ah wouldn't go out alone.

It'd be me and mah fren's, all done up like cowpokes with one o' them Winchester-stahl raffles.

An' mebbe a hawg leg. Strapped low.

Don' wanna upset the livestock.
 
I agree that some guns have a psychological stereo type.

I have my AR-15 in my closet instead of my AK-47 just for that reason.

In my opinion cops or other citizens could see it and "assume" that because of the AK I'm the bad guy.

The AK rarely leaves the safe for that reason also and I love that gun, it fits me way better than most of my others. Better caliber too.

Sad really.
 
My warm and fuzzy Colt 1911 – the ultimate good-guy’s gun; it’s mom, apple pie and the American flag. :cool:
 
an armed and cop-killing prisoner escaped custody),

Was his face all over the news? I'm assuming he would probably then avoid populated areas. Thus I'd go discretely armed, and try my best not to be alone.

If my special secret militia unit was called up (1st PA sealranger battalion) to have a little peek into his imminent capture, I'd make it a point to keep handy a short rifle and a long coat.

Funny, the things people don't see when they're not looking.. as anyone who's played the "bet you can't CC a ____" game can tell you.
 
For sub-SHTF scenarios, I don't really think an AK clone would offer much more than an AR-15. I mean, you don't really need the extra punch, right? Especially since law-enforcement is probably on high-alert.
The AR-15 was designed to be accurate and light... hence, that's why it would be ideal.
 
I think a lever-gun would work nicely.

Most anti-gun people would be ok with it, I guess.

crunker said:
For sub-SHTF scenarios, I don't really think an AK clone would offer much more than an AR-15. I mean, you don't really need the extra punch, right? Especially since law-enforcement is probably on high-alert.
The AR-15 was designed to be accurate and light... hence, that's why it would be ideal.

ZOMG, dude, that's the first time I've ever heard you say that the AK wasn't the bet rifle in the world :)

Just messing with you, dude. ;)
 
Why not a Glock? A lot of and possibly the majority of American police dept's use it and so do a number of federal agencies. I'm going to carry whatever I would normally carry and use best. There are no guns I avoid solely because of adverse psychological ( I TEACH psychology), sociological (teach sociology, too) or historical publicity and imputations. I always carry spare mags. Carry that with which you can consistently HIT at ranges greater than 5 yards and carry a caliber suitable to stop the threat. Period. For me that would be one of the following: Glock M27, Sig P226, Sig P245, H&K 45 or an H&K P30. Possibly a Smith & Wesson M642 as backup or in very warm weather. The object is ALWAYS BEG: BRING ENOUGH GUN to handle the job at hand.
 
I wouldn't say I'm "anti-Glock;" I've never shot one and I'm sure they're fine weapons. It's just that they've got a reputation. I'll bet that if you showed a lot of people (including some cops) a variety of handguns, they'd see the USP and say "Hey, that's the Jack Bauer pistol!" and see the Glock and say "Isn't that the porcelain gun from Die Hard 2?" In the same way, present an AK-47 and people think of the Cold War and Al Qaeda.

To my mind, there are several concerns, in the following order:
1. What works (and I can afford).
2. What won't get me in trouble.
3. What will promote a positive image of firearms among the general population.

Regarding #1, if an AK-47, a FAL, and an AR-15 all will get the job on, other things need to be considered (and if they won't, then there's no need to move on). #2 is easy: don't carry a NFA weapon you don't have a permit for and don't carry concealed without your CCW on you. #3 is the political dimension, as well as tactics. It's why I don't joke about blowing people away or about people getting hurt when I take a first-time shooter to the range.

I'm not looking to trash any weapons; the ones I'd choose for the situations I'm talking about aren't what I'd choose to go to war with or to survive TEOTWAWKI (not to mention a zombie uprising). I'd pick an AR-15 or hunting rifle and a 1911 or a Beretta 92. A revolver and a lever rifle would probably just confuse people here, although they'd make a lot of sense if I were hiking.

I'm just curious as to what people consider when they carry openly. From the responses so far, I've heard that some will carry whatever they feel like, some will be like me and try to be intimidating-but-not-scary, others will carry the most powerful they can manage, and so on.
 
I think you'd be better off with, "what would you wear?"

Seriously if I saw you in camos, vest, and a helmet I probably wouldn't shoot at you without assuming that I would be jumped.

In Iraq it happens all the time when someone gets pissed... and I quote: "We went around firing at everything that wasn't in camos."

I think lots of friendly fire accidents happen this way to, often with CIA or other operatives who leave their military assigned detail, and are running around in street clothes.

Easiest option clothing wise, just throw on a helmet... (can't hurt you too much), expensive, and no fun to wear.
 
In California...
Every big black gun is a 'bad' gun. If its silvery semi-auto or a wood stock 10/22, then its a 'good' gun. Or at least less 'evil' looking.

Compare A M1 Garand to a M1A. The wood stock of the M1 looks more civilian than the black synthetic of the M1A. Just because its big and black. If its big and wood, people would feel less threatened.

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I wouldn't publicly carry a gun anyway, unless its a SHTF that everyone knows about. But public opinions wouldn't sway my choice for a rifle, I feel safer using a SKS (AK47/M outside of CA) than a M4. And I'd imagine a BG seeing me carrying a SKS would feel more threatened than a M4.
 
Psychologically? Like how would I feel if I knew there was a bad guy out and about? Or how would I arm myself in light of others' feelings? Or would I feel better carrying a bigger or more scary gun? Or would I feel more Amercan with an AR than an AK on my shoulder out in public?


*Newsflash*
Every bad guy in prison at any given time was out on the street before he was in prison. You're talking about walking around with a rifle slung on your shoulder in response to the knowledge that there's a bad guy on the streets? In a "sub-SHTF scenario"? Lighten up.
 
It wouldnt matter what I felt would be PR to carry in public. Texas does not allow open carry.
 
recognize as being used by the police or our military

probably not a Glock, either

Not being picky, but most of the LE agencies around here use Glocks for their duty weapons. As far as any handgun is concerned, if you're carrying concealed, it doesn't matter because it should stay concealed until you need to shoot. If I felt like I needed to go about my business in town while carrying a long gun of any kind, I'd probably just elect to stay home until the situation was over. Otherwise, if I had to go into town and the situation was that dangerous, I'd bring my friends and their guns too... ;)
 
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